Guild Wars 2

swellercross.3974:

Yep EoTM like ,,,,,servers can always fill up the gap if need of more people to play any time zones at wvw, what type of play style you want maybe your a non wvwers,

I play WvW 100% of my play time, EotM is not in my mind WvW, its an abomination built for uplevels and PvE players that want to siege 24/7.

I think you will be hard pressed to find any true WvW player to agree with an EotM type match system. I dare say the majority of WvW players on these forums have been very clear that we do not want that type of a system for regular WvW, in fact I think they would lose more players than they would gain by doing that.

Are you talking about what EotM is ? You’re not explaining very well. Id you are talking about an EotM type of factor then no thank you.

Let me clear this up for John, DS take approx 3.5 yrs to master so they still got time !

Kaiser.9873:

The quickest and simplest way to solve the lower tier population problems(NA) is to eliminate the lower tiers. I have never played on EU servers so I have zero idea how the pop is spread over there.

I’m not denying that there are probably players in the lower tiers that enjoy that kind of gameplay, but when you’re talking 20 players per night(example given by low tier players in their own threads) the few that actually enjoy that versus the ones frustrated by the situation are negligible. So merge T7 and T8 with T5 and T6.

T8#3 -> T5#1, T8#2 -> T5#2, T8#1->T5#3
T7#3 -> T6#1, T7#2 -> T6#2, T7#1 -> T6#1

After this is done implement a change in Glicko where the high cap is 2000 Glicko, and the low cap is 1000 Glicko, or if you like make a high cap of 1000 Glicko with a floor of 0. Reset Glicko to zero, and have a round robin series of 1 day matches to find out your initial order(as was done in the beginning).

Gold Bracket T1/T2
Silver Bracket T3/T4
Bronze Bracket T5/T6
Have a set schedule of tournaments, not this haphazard system of, “Hey why don’t we do a tournament?” in order to rerank servers periodically.

This is imo what needs to be done. I would like to see match ups revolve more, first goes up, last goes down. It might cause some blowouts occasionally but I think it would also encourage a population spread. If you went this route you could technically just get rid of glicko all together once you have established the Brackets.

GrandHaven.1052:

blitzkrieg.2451:

Agreed, i’ve stopped playing and alot of friends have as well.

If you enjoy the game by all means continue to enjoy and play it, it’s just there’s so much stuff wrong with PvP and after waiting many years for obvious fixes it’s clear there is no intention to bring this game to what it should be.

Just curious, why are you still on the forum if you stopped playing? Or do you mean PvP specifically?

Just because people quit a game or a mode doesn’t mean the relinquish all ties. Some still watch and hope for the fixes that would encourage their return. Some still stick around and voice their opinions in hopes for the fixes that would encourage their return.

I’ve always wondered why people would assume that because you quit you clearly have no place being on the forums discussing the game. One would think you would rather have these people lurking in hopes that the fix they were hoping for happens so they then return and bring more populace to that particular mode and the game in general.

I think many are excited about his statement, even more so if it holds water. It’s hard for us the players to put any value in a statement regarding WvW from Anet. While I believe he has every intention with following through, I’m sure the past Dev’s that made all kinds of promises had every intention of following through as well.

Actions speak louder than words, is this just more bait and switch to calm the masses or do your people actually plan on really getting down and dirty and doing something to help fix WvW ? Do you actually plan on listening to your players or will you once again go off and do whatever you feel like doing and further annoy the community because the key elements we are asking for fixes on are once again ignored ?

I realize I’m coming off as a bit harsh but it is the reality, you can only be baited and lied to so many times before doubt takes over and it becomes hard to believe what should be easy to believe.

We all want the same thing, we want WvW to flourish and be as great as it can be. Why not compile some of the largest suggestions, form a team with the players (reliable ones) that can have discussions and find the good and the bad within the suggestions and from there get things rolling in a positive manner.

I know, i know, more whining, I’m just concerned that pride will get in the way of what needs to be done, leaving us exactly where we are now.

Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see both WvW and TPvP flourish and become the kings of MMO PvP. It’s a hard pill to swallow but I just don’t think the people behind the machine (Anet) have the knowledge to make it work. To much time and energy has gone into PvE and not nearly enough into either of the other two modes.

They are competing with Moba’s and other Giant like WoW with their 3 vs 3 arena’s, they are both established and still going strong (even WoW still hosts tournaments with LARGE prize pools). Anet would really need to buckle down, focus, and be willing to really listen to the “hard core” players of both modes as well as work with those players to even have a chance at reaching that level of fan base. It’s unfortunate but they have proven that their ego’s and pride will always come first, and our suggestions/help will always come last.

Anyways, we’ve gotten off topic here, back to your regularly scheduled program.

As I said, you will see movement in the top 4 maybe 5 tiers, anything below T5 has had its fate sealed. There is plenty of room in T4 & T5 to accommodate those that will return, I realy think people expectations of how many are going to come back for any length of time or start a new is over exaggerated.

Games, like most things in life, don’t get a second chance to get it right. They have people come and go but there will be no second release. I’m not going to assume to know your gaming history but if you have played MMO’s for any length of time you know what I’m saying is correct. Some players will return and from them some will stay but it’s probable that the majority will once again leave for greener pastures once the new shiny effect has worn off.

T8-T6 will remain Dead/Dying without some kind of drastic intervention from Anet such as merges or what ever the case may be.

Diku.2546:

@Tao

Hmm…

ANet probably would make more money if eSport does well. Imagine the number of constant new players wanting to be the next champion team…like real established sports like baseball, football, soccer, ect. have in their respective professional leagues.

ANet would hold exclusive supply to equipment and playing grounds.

The game is 3 years old, IF their PvP was ever going to be an E-Sport, they really missed the mark. It is pretty much to late for their E-Sport to tale off, it’s widely viewed as more of a casual get in get out kind of mode. Some people are very active with it but I would argue that it’s not enough for the mode to excel any further. Keep in mind GvG’s in the past have produced more viewers then ANY TPvP tourny/Match that Anet has provided.

Holland.9351:

mikoe.6574:

my WVW end game content was wrecked by all the transfers.

mikoe.6574:

I’m done transferring to try and find greener pastures.

I was actually just going to point this out.

Your entire thread just became invalid OP, in the future put some thought into a thread before hitting the post button.

Chaba.5410:

This all looks like an attempt to heavy-hand force population to spread out just for the sake of speeding up a process that will naturally occur over time due to the world population calculation change.

Just not seeing the necessity, especially with HoT release upcoming.

If you honestly believe it’s going to naturally occur over time then I just shake my head at you. 3 years and nothing has sorted itself out, these changes are to little to late, no one is dumb enough to transfer down to T8 (at least in NA) and sit there with no one to fight. It doesn’t matter what the price ta of the transfer is, its just not practical to expect any large guild to bore themselves to death.

We will probably see some movement within the top 4 MAYBE 5 tiers, but anything beyond that will definitely not sort itself out.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

What amazes me is that they went to the effort of doing it in the 1st game, knew it was a fantastic feature, then never implemented it here. Madness.

They did a lot in the first game that was fantastic that they never brought along for the ride, it’s actually quite embarrassing.

But ya they added “jump” so I guess that’s something !

This would be a fantastic feature and it really wouldn’t have to take up any screen space, you could make the bar considerably smaller. It could sit on top of the right hand side (utilities) bar and be the same size as your class features (F1-F5). Buffs could be placed above it, while I’m talking about buffs, put buffs on the left of the health bar and debuffs on the right.

None currently, haven’t purchased it yet because they have yet to unveil $50 worth of content, let alone $100. IF the other specializations (mainly Engi/Druid) are interesting and worth while then I might consider dropping money on it.

It’s not like the xpac has ANYTHING that a WvW player needs that we won’t get for free. Inb4 Specializations which are currently not all that impressive with the exception of maybe the Mesmer.

Wryscher.1432:

Dusty Moon.4382:

Wryscher.1432:

Dawdler.8521:

Wryscher.1432:

But using it against them? How exactly? I guess more ktraining? Because the only way you can use it against someone is race there right before an upgrade hits and take it from them.

Lol.

You just stated the exact way to use it against your enemies. Think a little about what you just wrote there. If you are “exploiting” the system to race to a keep in order to cap it right when an upgrade hits… there is absolutely nothing stopping your enemy from having an entire army there waiting for you, because they know you’re gonna race there to try and flip it.

More information on the battlefield should mean that the pace increases, which is a good thing. Focus the battles around higher priority areas (ie keeps about to upgrade). Which should mean more PvP.

So you agree, more ktraining. Just what we want in WvW.

I am on a T1 server and that is all that is done in WvW NOW. Very few guilds actually do defense and skirmish – most run and hide if you want fights.

The new map looks to place defense above K-training which will be a breath of fresh air for me

It makes me sad everytime we roll up on an upgraded structure we have more then enough to take. But we move on because it would take to long.

But your point is exactly what i worry about. Offense will look at the map and say get their keep before it upgrades! Defense will look at the map and say, let them have the keep it aint up graded lets go take their bay it isnt upgraded!

But maybe i am being overly cynical.

Well, that is most likely what will happen. Unless they do something that greatly increases rewards for defending (I mean by A LOT) Like OMG we NEED to defend and it NEEDS to be successful or we don’t get X, or it will just be avoid and take something else as you pointed out. They would need to make these rewards remarkable across the board so both Defense and Offense are worth while.

PaxTheGreatOne.9472:

Yes I could kill all mopbs in pve with just 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1

I also can use 0(entangle) ,5(bonfire),7(flametrap),8(poison trap) and watch the group of 5 pulled in and dying extremely fast in the ball of fire I created.

Or use 4 (focus line),4(focus pull), 5 (warden),`,5(swordsman), 2…. well they’re dead as well, mesmer style instead of tranger as above… Could pop’m (F1) as well.

it is more pelasant then standing there 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 until it dies…

To be fair here, there really should be more meaning for the other skills, you shouldn’t be able to just auto attack everything to death. The other skills should be needed, not just there for funzies. There is definitely a lack of challenge and a lack of importance of skills if you can just #1 everything down.

Not that I agree with everything OP is saying but being able to kill just about anything in the game with auto attack …. they need to put some more effort into some things.

Is your inbox full ? Mail will sit in Queue waiting for a spot to open up if it’s full. At least this used to be the case.

lordkrall.7241:

But fact remains that the largest part of the player based does play PvE, so it makes sense for them to spend most resources on PvE.

The only reason this is a fact is because of the man hours put into PvE vs the other modes. If they had put the same amount of work into WvW as they had into PvE and the same amount of neglect into PvE as they have for WvW which mode do you think would have the most players ?

lordkrall.7241:

“and yes there are a large percentage of us that just play WvW.”

No, the people that ONLY play WvW is minuscule. People can MOSTLY play WvW (I do), but people that ONLY play WvW is a very small group (more or less non-existent).

The new map is massive. They are also adding new siege and revamping several of the WvW mechanics.

But fact remains that the largest part of the player based does play PvE, so it makes sense for them to spend most resources on PvE.

Stop making assumptions, you have no facts and no basis. The people I see in WvW daily typically only play WvW and they make up the majprity of people within the maps.

They are pushing for T1 what do you expect ? I’m curious to see who drops down and how badly they are effected. YB has always been know for its siege mentality, they don’t go anywhere (fights included) without an kitten nal of siege, they are perfect for T1.

Hoelbrak, Troopers, Melandru are probably your top three choices for WvW. If your roaming solo or with a small group, Strength could be fun but I personally would still take Hoelbrak over Strength in any situation except maybe PvE.

tichai.4351:

The game itself is still a beautiful piece of art and WvW still has the potential to be head and shoulders above anything else out there and it is underachieving on that score. WvW needs substance, not gimmicks.

There have been dozens, if not hundreds of ideas put forward by the community with the aim of improving the gaming experience, ALL have been ignored in favour of meaningless fluff and all have been more nails in the coffin.

I don’t say this out of anger, but out of sadness, Our server, Gunnar’s Hold was T5 pushing T4 then the ‘Golem Event’ hit and the population dipped as a result. Followed by matches against T7 opposition for another 2 weeks has not brought back the people who quit the game for the event.

I despair at losing many friends I have made over the last 3 years to other games and I remember well Anet touting the community feel at launch whilst quietly going about destroying the very thing they sold us 3 years ago.

I expect to get censured for this post which again shows another failing. Had Anet put as much effort into removing hackers and exploits from the game as they do into ‘policing’ the forums there may well be less dissent?

It seems they really missed the boat on the bolded part, there are so many PvE games out there that have much better PvE. For a long time there was no real 3 way open field/siege games on the market (at least non that weren’t either dated or terrible). When people heard about WvW, many people flocked to GW2 because of this alone, the WvW populations at release proved this point. Instead of taking advantage of these facts they focused on PvE and half heartedly SPvP, let’s face it their PvE will never compare to many other games, it’s the difference between thousands of players and millions. WvW on the other hand was something many were waiting for, since DAoC there hasn’t been anything worth while, why could they not see this and capitalize on it ? They could still do PvE, after all by their own admission it was geared towards casuals so it really shouldn’t require all hands on deck to keep it going and keep it interesting for a casual player.

We could be sitting here having a completely different discussion, we could have healthy populations across the board, some server’s would still have a bigger populace but the trickle down affect would still see the rest as healthy, after all a server can only hold so many.

Again, I would ask them that going by their WvW activity in the first few months, how could you have been so blind to not see what you had created ? How could you have neglected it so much that you (Anet) are the reason it is not flourishing and keeping your MMO in the spot light (yeah you’re in the spot light a lot but it’s usually negative). I just don’t understand what happened, did one of your senior devs die to much to players ? Did they not have the patience to get better ? What was going through your head ?

I’m sure your game is in a healthy spot across the board as far as players in all modes, but would you not have preferred great as opposed to average ?

briggah.7910:

And this is the reason why anet never posts in the wvw section.. Bunch of people who just won’t let go of this game constantly hang around the forums and nitpick at everything they ever say.

Have to agree here, take the tin foil hat off, Anet has many … many faults but they are not the boogey man.

Here’s the thing, Elementalist is and most likely always will be useful and considered a staple for any serious WvW guild/group. Engineer atm is not, people are hoping that the new changes will make them more viable but in the end that’s all it it, their just hoping. Engineers are extremely fun but they just are not as important as an Elementalist, the Engineer lovers will probably try and make all sorts of wild claims about how they are better but it’s sadly not the reality.

If you want to Gamble and hope for the best with a chance of being let down, roll Engineer.

If you want to know that you will be useful and one of the most useful; classes in the game and will be for the foreseeable future, roll Elementalist.

Now if you just want to run small groups or solo, either choice is a good choice, I would actually say Engineer is more enjoyable in these areas.

We could just make it simple, without adding crappy PvE. Give tokens per win, first gets 3, second gets 2, third gets 1, add a merchant with Ascended and Legendary items. Each item will cost 6-9 tokens per ascended, and maybe 30 per Legendary. It allows us to get our stuff without being forced to do the craptastic PvE, it will take at least 3 weeks of first place for 1 ascended, 10 for a legendary and considerably more if you don’t come first every week. It’s an easy fix and rewards everyone regardless of imbalance between servers, the amount of tokens needed can be changed, I was just throwing numbers out there.

Nope not here, as a WvW player there is always a reason to log in and spend time playing even if the Devs neglect WvW. It really is the end game here, all that PvE junk, ya it gets boring after you do it a couple times because it’s always the same thing. At least with WvW it’s player driven battles so its not the same scripted junk over and over and over and over and ….

Llort.9267:

The staff doesn’t suit the thief class at all, as he ceases to be the thief/assassin type class at all. Martial arts monk is not a ninja, as some people seem to believe. Monks don’t rely on stealth. As for ninjas, their main weapon was katana, which is a sword, daggers, shortbows, and a bunch of throwing weapons. These are basically all the weapons that the GW2 thief can use to this point. Pistols would be exception, but it seems OK to have a ninja with a pistol in a game with steampank elements. The only suitable new weapon for the ninja among the existing ones would be a torch, as ninjas very often were used for sabotage. That and kits with throwing knives and granades would be the better choice over the staff, in my opinion. The only problem is that current thief is pretty much a ninja already.

As for the rifle, that makes the thief more of a secret agent class, that uses range weapon to kill an enemy from afar, probably has some tricks to disorient and fool them beforehand, and uses stealth to escape if needed. And this would also give the thieves what they lack – more range.

I hope it’s either one of those two, especially as both rifle and torch are two most underused weapons in the game.

You realize that it is kind of the point to make the thief not a thief with the specialization ?

It goes to show that this will probably turn out to be more smoke and mirrors so they can claim they listen and care. ET/DR are not medium, not unless you consider low, no one on the map at all ever.

They need to merge servers, they need to get over their pride and realize that 3 years is a decent amount of time. Things die down after awhile, GW2 is no different, there is no shame in admitting that their player base numbers have dropped, it happens in every game. This refusal to merge is just blind pride getting in the way of reason.

Zalani.9827:

Still waiting for the Druid reveal lol.

^^ this. Druid is going to be the determining factor if I’m buying it or not.

You have the option to not purchase it, after seeing the little info they have released I’m not convinced it’s worth the price tag. This is more compounded by the fact that I play WvW only, the new map is free so the only thing I might benefit from is specializations.

It might be worth while for others, PvE players are getting the most out of the xpac so for them (I don’t agree but that’s just my opinion) it might be worth it.

I’m also in Canada and yes, due to currency it does cost more. I don’t blame Anet for the currency, it’s not their fault our dollar isn’t worth as much at the moment but I still think they are asking to much for what appears to be very little.

I would rather fight every single guild than be allied with any of them, you know …. Guild Wars, not Guild Alliances.

lordkrall.7241:

HitmanHaydon.1053:

It has a long term effect as it shows the company have no idea what a majority of players want from the game mode.

Also, a week is a long time in gaming.
It gave people like me chance to go off and play other stuff and enjoy it.

I definitely feel a lot less enthusiasm for this game than I did a week ago, and I don’t think its going to come back over night.

Ah yes, because it was clearly added in because they thought people wanted that specific change… and not at all just to shake things up a bit (which is actually exactly what people have been demanding since release more or less).

It was a week of fun. Some people liked it, others didn’t. Now people move on with their life like nothing have happened.

Maybe you should lay off the white knightery for once and let peole have their own opinions.

Is there an eta on this ?

Jayne.9251:

If NA is smart, it’ll take this opportunity to emulate EU and spread out for the fights — not the blue ribbon (which is meaningless now).

You’re giving us far to much credit, we’re not that smart.

briggah.7910:

@Random

I like reading your post tbh even when you throw me under the bus at times. There is a difference between the way you make your point across and the many others who say the same thing the next person says and usually that is “this game is ruined”

If you kept up with most of my posts it seems I have tons of personalities Its just at times I reply with silly stuff since I see silly stuff being posted or in a way I see it as silly stuff. If people actually expressed it more in a nicer way I’d reply more in a nicer way.

I will say even sometimes I disagree with myself after someone like you points it out in a nicer way haha

Everyone has opinions, I may not agree with yours but that does not mean you are wrong and I am right. It also doesn’t mean I think you should be put in front of a firing squad and shot. We, like many others, are passionate about the game and even if we disagree we are both in our own opinions trying to do whats best for the game.

I took a break because of the event, it’s not a case of taking it to seriously. I play for fun, I have a family and a job so when I get on it’s for my enjoyment. I enjoy being competitive, this event was IMO not fun, it ruined the parts of WvW I enjoy. Instead I went and played other games.

Wanting the devs to listen and take some of our requests/ideas and implementing them or not implementing them, is passion imo. It’s clear by some of the comments that have been made by Anet that many of them truly don’t know as much about their game as they believe they do. I don’t think it’s a hardship to ask that they do some research and provide as much attention to one mode as they do to others. If you invented the automobile but only drove it once in a blue moon you wouldn’t be as familiar with it as the guy that drives it for several hours a day every day, whether you invented it or not.

I still haven’t purchased the xpac because I don’t like the direction they are going, and I don’t have faith that it contains $50 worth of content. The event, just reassures me that they are not in touch with some of the communities in the game and likely won’t provide WvW players anything worth while that we can’t obtain without the xpac.

You don’t, you give them an option. Run X build for the good of the guild or find a new guild.

briggah.7910:

Recover from what? Not everyone gave up out there. Event basically showed me that there are a lot of servers out there with people that take this game too seriously. Instead of trying to make the best out of it they chose to give up and not play..

I’m sure all the people that tried to even have fun during this boring event will look at all them guilds that decided not to play this week differently after this event is over. INC drama and mass transfers.

Wow you sure are confused about who is taking this game to seriously, who takes it more seriously. The guy who stays in game and tries to make the best of it, or the one that says “nope this weeks not my cup of tea, I’ll take a break”.

I expected more from you.

It will recover just fine, they may see a few less HoT sales partially due to this past week but as a whole, the majority of us who hated the event will be back to business come reset.

I’m willing to bet within the next few days Anet tells us how much of a great success this event was, confirming that they truly are out of touch with us.

eduardo.1436:

Bro don’t worry, A-net knows its thing, everybody knows that medium armor classes are the best there is, so A-net is doing the “save the best for last” promo. Besides when they first announced elite spec which ones did they confirmed? RANGER in all its glory (aka we know the name and weapon and at least one attack) and ENGIE (know weapon and some form of class mechanic with the flying drones) what do they both have in common? MEDIUM ARMOR BAM shots fired! we win! ranger thief and engie 4 life!

JustTrogdor.7892:

Arobain.8274:

whats a WTS???

World Tournament Series. A PvP tournament that, in my opinion, most GW2 players don’t care about.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/events/world-tournament-series/#info

The final is August 8th in Cologne, Germany.

So true, never even heard of it, and 5k ? lol

Isn’t it cute when people ask for an official answer ?

Let me help you out, if they give you and official answer it will be to let you know they are aware of the issues and are working on fixing them, continue to give positive feed back !

Reality is, they have been fixing numerous things for the past three years according to them, and yet they’re all still broken.

DeadlySynz.3471:

The problem with the golem bug is it can be acquired by simply killing a golem. Now I don’t foresee how they can possibly ban players for killing golems.

Don’t bother trying to explain it, the majority just don’t get it. The source of the problem is Anet, but lets just ignore that fact and blame the players, half of whom probably don’t even realize they are running around with the buff.

Wouldn’t it be funny if Anet did ban everyone who used it and half these people calling for bans also got banned because at some point they received the buff and were unaware. I bet they would be singing a completely different tune.

As for the buff destroying the fun … the entire event destroyed the fun so who really cares if there was a bug on top of it.

Be careful what you hope for, if Anet decides to overhaul the system, they really need to consult the WvW players. By WvW players I mean those of us who play WvW, not the casuaks, not the PvE players that visit once a week/month.

If they do what they usually do and ignore our suggestions and just decide they know whats best you can be assured it will be a disaster.

For the new map no, the map will be free for everyone.

I played other games.

Maybe I’m just going senile but, I’m pretty sure Anet stated at some point that druids will have the option to go petless.

coglin.1867:

Random.4691:

coglin.1867:

OP your argument lost the ability to hold water the second your post began to assume a mutual exclusivity between WvW players and PvE player. This whole flawed thought process that no one plays both WvW and PvE is absurd.

While you’re not wrong, according to Anet we all play both which is also not remotely close to true.

Do you have a link to something, in which they stated “WE ALL” play both?

Do quick search through the front page, one of these threads have a video of them stating that no one just plays WvW. I’m not going to find it for you because tbh I could care less and if you want the proof you can go looking.

99% of the time downed state is just prolonging the inevitable. I would say just get rid of downed state but the amount of wasted finishers would surely cause rage.