Guild Wars 2

Aaaah. Nice to get this thread back. Now to remove the silly infractions from people who don’t like Achievement Hunters.

NiloyBardhan.9170:

C’mon guys. I am sure OP is being sarcastic and is criticizing the inclusion of such an achievement where gold = AP.

How is wanting content that gives AP and appeals to Casuals being sarcastic? It’s not free by any means. You have to make the choice to give up Gold in order to get an Achievement. If anything, this would be a great Gold Sink for the game.

JaNordy.6149:

Im saying they have very bad individual skill thats among worst servers I encounter in the game.

To be fair, because Maguuma set the bar so high with our skill level, any server in our tier will appear to be lacking. Like a bunch of cute little puppies trying to run with the big Zerg Dogs.

They need to add Scarlet and her minions to the Toypocalypse. That would make things interesting.

Charming Rogue.8071:

Sounds to me like anet is dictating prices, they know we want ascended armor, and they dictate the materials needed for it.

No. Anet controls the requirements needed for crafting. Players control the prices. If demand is high enough, and people are willing to pay X price for an item, that’s where the price will go.

If someone doesn’t like the current prices, they should have invested early. With the millions of silk for rock bottom prices, players could have gotten a deal. But it was the investors/speculators that continued to buy up the overstock, and now they’re unloading them back for huge profits.

With a dynamic economy like this, it’s the procrastinators who suffer the most. That is, unless you’re willing to just take the time to farm for the mats yourself. In which case, prices don’t matter.

JaNordy.6149:

SBI and YB are the TC and JQ of tier 3

You trying to say that Mags is the SoR of T3?

darkvise.3197:

After the silk will come to 2s per piece or before?
Anet will decide to maintain this unfair price difference between the ascendant pieces?
Anet will decide to maintain this unfair time difference between the various ascendant armor?

Just a couple of numbers of the current situation:

Silk scrap 79 c required 300 = 2 g 37s
Mithril ore 30 c required 100 = 30s
Thick Leather Section 8 c required 150 = 12s

p.s. : Plz, don’t say us that this was not predictable

Just a correction, Anet doesn’t dictate prices. Players do. As Renn said, the changes to Silk refinement, plus the huge demand for them in Ascended crafting is what drove the prices sky high. With how Ascended weapon mats were refined, people should have known this would happen. Speculators are bleeding Gold with how much prices went up.

My apologies. I’m not tree expert, so I’m going off of what I assume. Perhaps we should ask Trahearne for confirmation. He hasn’t been doing much since we saved his leafy behind.

Ayrilana.1396:

Otherwise I’m sure Miley Cyrus could help you…

I prefer Steve Kardynal’s version better.

It’s not a bug, so much as it could be lag. If you lag enough where your inputs are 1 second too late, of course you won’t get credit. If you can get a perfect score, I won’t question your skills, since you would seem to know exactly when to hit the notes when they come down.

If you knew Anet forum mods would delete this thread, why post it in the first place? That’s an infraction waiting to happen.

The fact that you needed to tell people to get our heads out of the gutter, is clear indication that you knew this was a bad name.

You should send a ticket, as this might be a technical issue. Or, your creditcard issuer might have a problem with letting you do these transactions. Hard to tell unless you can see what the merchant error codes are coming back as.

Please don’t send tickets for questions you already know the answer to.

But why would you send a ticket to ask a question you already know the answer to?

Because the wood is so soft, it takes more to compress into a plank. The biological make up of soft wood producing trees stems from the fertile Tyrian soil in which they grow. Couple it with the extra moisture in the air in those areas, and you have a recipe for over saturated, mushy trees.

Oghier, I’m not going to defend people who complain about being forced to buy something. But what I will say is that perhaps in their mind, they feel that they “win” when they have cosmetically good looks. Of course, that doesn’t make this game Pay 2 Win by any means, but it would explain why some people are so livid over the fact that enhancements are locked behind the Gem Store.

That, or they have a compulsion to want everything in game, thus the psychological drive to “need” to buy, which leads to the “forced” argument. And my counter to that argument would be that they should seek professional help outside of the game.

I would ask, since gifts are non-returnable. Or do what I’ve been doing, and buy Black Lion keys for your friends. It gives them a nice gift, plus you get access to 40% of more BL keys for yourself, for each key gifted.

If this happens, I would like advanced warning from Anet, so that I can unload my stash of Silvers before the price tanks.

I had no idea that coding an MMO was as easy as simply switching out a few scripts.

Yonarq.1072:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

It could be a daily to it, donate one gold for 1AP once a day.

Hmm 1G for 1AP….

Yeh, I really hope you never get an employment in the balance team of any game ever.

I agree. 1 AP is too low for each Gold. 5 points minimum would be baseline ok though.

There are some trees that are behind things and up on hills. I would suggest asking other players to help you in game. Otherwise, you’re on your own to kite all the mobs.

As with all fashion, the old season’s stuff is removed, so that the new season’s stuff can be brought in.

Jay, if you didn’t hear the news already, VR is quitting and moving to Second Life. Without Duck to lead Maguuma, we’re bound for Tier 6.

On a side note, if anyone wishes to have some of the stuffs we have in the guild vault, you can send us an essay with a minimum of 500 words on why VR should consider you as a beneficiary.

Real girl players get priority. Sorry Saiyr.

This is the reason why we speculate. We make a lot of money.

BUT… speculation comes with risks. I’ve also lost a lot of money on stuff that tanked. As an example, Flawless Snowflakes are only 1/5th their value from a week ago. It was my fault for not selling sooner.

First quarter 2014 is a good time for an asura gate to open up Cantha again. Just saying.

Bhima.9518:

This game was sold as an MMO with horizontal progression. Ascended gear is clearly a vertical progression mechanic and can make a pretty big difference in WvW. That Colin quote that has become cliche is what was sold to us. What we got was a gear treadmill like WoW, except unlike WoW… there aren’t very many viable ways to attain that gear except to craft it.

Its fair that casuals and hardcores get the same gear in a game that was marketed and sold to us as one with horizontal… not vertical progression. If you are still looking at “fair” as time=shinies, that wasn’t what Anet sold to us. That is what has been drilled into your head from WoW.

I’m talking about fairness in the accumulation of in game wealth. So what you’re saying is that Casual players should be able to kill ten rats, and get 500 Gold, where as I had to farm Champ bags for days to get the same amount? Just because one player feels Entitled to the same amount of stuff I have, doesn’t make it fair.

All games are based on time and rewards. If you put in time to do something, you get rewards. Do a dungeon run, get a reward. Do a Fractal run, get a reward. Farm Champs all day long, get rewards.

Brother Grimm.5176:

No….compared to wanting nearly the BEST luxury item (and a Mustang IS NOT that). Sorry, but I consider it hilarious you consider a Mustang a “luxury” item at all, but I don’t want to be mean (but I do have at least a dozen jokes churning in my head right now). Thank you for amusing me (it’s not difficult).

When you grew up poor, having any car is considered a luxury. As for my analogy of the Mustang, have you even seen the upcoming models for it? Epically awesome, and totally out of my price range. BUT… just like with BiS gear, I can get it if I work towards it. I can’t have it right away, but given time, I will.

The new healing skills are OP, thus the reason for a longer CD.

Conncept.7638:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Conncept.7638:

Travis the Terrible.4739:

Conncept.7638:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

The Canthan district used to be there. As you may already know, Divinity’s Reach is divided into several districts, some of them assigned to refugees from the other continents.

The Canthan District however was removed at the last minute before release because Arenanet got complaints about it from asian countries. So they removed it and created the large hole.

That’s not what happened at all.

NCSoft didn’t want the game to copy real-world asian culture because they were afraid it would then be labeled an ‘asian’ MMO. They’ve never said exactly why but I would bet it’s because being labeled as such has a negative connotation because of the massive amount of grindy pay-to-win ‘asian’ mmos that have been flooding the market for years.

Ironic as NCSoft owns and operates a few of the worst of those MMOs.

Let’s just ignore all of guild wars: factions which was based off of asian cultures.

NCSoft wasn’t majority shareholder during the release of the original Guild Wars or that of any of its expansions.

NCSoft has owned Anet since 2002.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/06/08/nexon-invests-6-8m-in-ncsoft-becomes-largest-shareholder/

NCSoft has been a shareholder for many years but they did not become the majority shareholder until June of 2012. You’ll find the same information on any other site where you care to look.

However (unlike you) when challenged I decided to do some research and double-check my facts. I found that my initial posting was actually incorrect, ANets investors qualms with the Cantha district were in fact due to offense taken to mixing asian cultures. My mistake, I had been told otherwise.

As others have stated, NCSoft is not a shareholder in Anet. Anet was an independent company that was purchased by NCSoft before the release of GW1. At that point, Anet is wholly owned under the umbrella of it’s parent company NCSoft.

Nexon is a shareholder of NCSoft, which owns Anet.

I love it. As a player who don’t have time to farm every aspect of this game, I thank you for allowing me to donate Silver and Gold to Ho Ho Tron for Achievement Points. Every single Living Story update should have some type of achievement where I can donate to a cause. As part of the story, many people are suffering due to attacks by villains. It only make sense for us players to be able to donate to those who are suffering. Awarding Achievement Points is a great reward for our generosity.

One change I would like. Please make it an infinitely repeating achievement! Maybe award 10 points per Gold donated? I’ll gladly sacrifice my wealth to help starving orphans.

Just as an aside, even console games like Final Fantasy has microtransactions. Square Enix is offering costumes you can purchase for Lightning, making her fight in all types of revealing outfits.

But just as all games that have microtransactions, you must look at the purpose of such a sale. Is the game requiring you to buy something in order to play the game? Some do. I was recently told about hybrid models that have free and subscription type players. If you pay a subscription, you get access to more of the game content over the free players.

However, in GW2, the whole model is free to play, with optional purchases that you may (out of your own free will) make. If you don’t buy anything with real money, you still have access to 100% of the content within the game. You paid for the game account, and Anet allows you to enjoy all of the content from the start.

Gene Archer.8560:

I will remind you that this game was not advertised to the average MMO player. It was advertised to those players who dislike the conventional MMO. This game was never meant for the typical WoW, Aion, Rift, SWTOR, Maple Story, Whatever other title you want here, player. It was meant for the player that isn’t a typical MMO player with a typical MMO mindset.

This game was advertise to BOTH types of players. People who dislike conventional MMOs, and people who love it.

Gene Archer.8560:

I don’t know. Continue running around the world and playing the game with your guild/friends? Run dungeons, WvW, PvP? Just run around

Shocking concept, I know.

I mean, what if I told you that people still play Elder Scrolls and Fallout even after completing everything there is to complete? I bet you wouldn’t believe me. I bet your mind would explode.

And some people still play GW1. The point here is that when you achieve all your goals, the player tends to move on. Anet wants to prevent that by continuously giving us something to do. If players stay in the game, with stuff to do and goals to achieve, they’ll more likely do more microtransactions. The people who threaten to quit this game because they can’t have everything right away are the vocal minority.

Gene Archer.8560:

And it’s only going to hurt them in the long run. It’s already starting to hurt them, if the CDI threads are anything to go by.

Again, vocal minority. CDI threads do have some good suggestions. But asking for everything here and now for instant gratification is something Anet (or any game smart game company) will never do.

Gene Archer.8560:

That is a laughable comment at best. Gamers don’t need protected from themselves. If someone can’t create their own goals in a game after a point, then no game is ever going to hold their interest for an amount of time.

It’s understandable if you haven’t actually studied psychology and business. You see things from your perspective, which is fine. I see things from both sides, and fully understand the reason why businesses do things, and the mindset of customers. Why am I defending Anet so much? Because they’re looking out for us players. It servers two purposes: It makes us happy, and keeps us as customers. Happy customers are spending customers. And if we spending customers continue to spend month in and month out, then Anet is doing something right.

Shockwave.1230:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Shockwave.1230:

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4) There’s no real way to help the Casual player who has little time to play this game. They must make the choice of either playing more, or learning to live with what they can afford. If you give access and wealth of a player who plays for hours daily, to a player who plays 1 hour a week, that would be unfair to the other. That sort of thing would invalidate all the hours the other player put into the game.

Allowing players with little time and money the means to reasonably obtain almost anything is part of what made the first Guild Wars great. It wasn’t unfair there, it wouldn’t be here. The players with a lot of time that you think it’d be unfair to will always be ahead of the players with little time. I have no problem with that being the case, it makes sense. I’m just talking about closing the disparity of the gap that exists.

The game already has gear in place that a Casual player can get: Exotics. If you want BiS, you need to invest time to get them. By speeding up the process for Casuals, you then must speed up the process for Hardcore players. Then we have the problem of maximizing gear all over. Hardcore players will reach the goals too quickly, and will demand more progression. Then the cycle continues, with Anet having to consider another tier.

By gating things, both Casuals and Hardcore players move at the same speed. The major difference here is the cost of having all the materials required for the BiS gear. Hardcore players will be able to farm and “grind” out wealth to have mats. Casuals have access to the same content, albeit at a slower pace.

/sigh

The difference in the rates is meant to curb day traders like me from treating Gold and Gems like a real world exchange. In a small, close economy like GW2, it would be too easy to manipulate a currency market without these barriers in place.

Good lord, did I just say that out loud?

Gene Archer.8560:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

That sort of thing would invalidate all the hours the other player put into the game.

How do you figure? That other person still has the wealth they accumulated. Nobody took it from them. Someone just got it easier, because they can’t be as devoted as the other person.

People without time shouldn’t be penalized for not having said time. Things shouldn’t have to take them that many more months or years to obtain in Guild Wars. Their goals and dreams should be just as feasible to complete in a decent amount of time as someone who has a stockpile of hours to throw away.

Example: I spent 1,000 hours to get 500 Gold. The other player did the same thing, and got the same amount of Gold in 100 hours.

Question: How is that fair to me? Why am I penalized because the other player wants the same things that I have, only quicker and easier?

Alukah.2063:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Ahem

John Smith.4610:

The ecto rate is fine.

Yay for quoting a 5 months old post, you have solved the mystery of this thread.

Here’s your cookie: [cookie]

Thanks for the cookie. It’s a good thing I saved that quote.

So bright… like a walking deity!

Gene Archer.8560:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

And this mindset is the problem.

No, it’s not. You see it as a problem. But I see your mindset as a problem just as much.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

You don’t understand that by wanting everything handed to you, and completing your end game so quickly, that you eliminate a lot of the reasons to play this game.

World completion? WvW? PvP? Personal Story? Actual horizontal progression? (Had Anet actually done that) Skins? (Had Anet actually put a decent wardrobe system in and actually made enough skins for customization). Dungeons?

There’s plenty to do without needing to make gear a grindy and un-fun acquisition slog.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Then, you have no choice but to wait for Anet to release new content.

Which I’m fine with, quite frankly.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

This is partly the reason why we have bi-weekly updates.

Which have been a buggy, zerg-filled mess. Quality > Quantity.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

So many players had done everything this game had to offer, so to keep us happy, they gave us more content, but in piecemeal. That way, we don’t gobble it up in a week.

And its rate of release, piecemeal nature, and grindy nature has started to grate on the playerbase.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Legendaries popped up within months of the game release too, something that should have taken over a year to make. With the artificial time gates in place, it forces you to stretch out your goals, and gives you a reason to work for something.

No, it makes me look at how long everything will take, realize it’s not worth the time, and I head off for better games that don’t do that.

If you look up the psychological makeup of MMO players, you’ll see that this mindset is exactly the reason why a lot of people quit games. You want everything here and now. Ok. But when you get everything you want, and no longer have any content left, you leave. Instant gratification: While it feels so good now, that feeling is only temporary. And once that feel good moment passes, reality hits, and then you ask yourself “what do I do now that I have everything I wanted?”

Anet is preventing that by stretching story lines out, and having BiS gear a long term goal. They’re trying to protect gamers from themselves in a way.

Shockwave.1230:

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You had a lot to say, and I’ll try to address them all.

1) Yes, better quality content is always appreciated. I think Anet does a good job providing new content that’s compelling enough to keep us going. In order to give us more quantity, the quality does suffer. But the silver lining here is that all the new content is free

2) It’s fine to have multiple routes to achieve something. But you must also take care in making sure that if you have too many routes, you can inadvertently make some paths pointless. Say they gave you five different ways to get a Legendary. Somehow, if one of those ways were so easy, then no one would do the other four.

3) The game economy is important. Gold sinks, like how you find in the TP, keeps the value of currency in check. If you made the Gem Exchange a static rate, it would be nice in the short term, but would be horrible long term. Why? Because players accumulate wealth over time. The more money they have in the future, the more then can afford to exchange. Then, not only do you have to deal with inflation, but also run the risk of losing microtransaction sales.

4) There’s no real way to help the Casual player who has little time to play this game. They must make the choice of either playing more, or learning to live with what they can afford. If you give access and wealth of a player who plays for hours daily, to a player who plays 1 hour a week, that would be unfair to the other. That sort of thing would invalidate all the hours the other player put into the game.

There’s nothing wrong with profit. Corporations are people too.

Gene Archer.8560:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Ok. So what do you get if you eliminate the “grind”? Click a button and get Ascended gear, like a vending machine. Is that what you truly want?

You know what? At this point. It’s what I want at least. There’s nothing wrong with easy mode. There’s nothing wrong with just getting something. There’s no need to make getting BiS gear a challenge or hard. (And besides, BiS gear is supposed to be easy to get and non-grindy in this game. That was the stated design intention.)

The challenge should be in the content that the gear is used for, if there must be challenge.

And this mindset is the problem. You don’t understand that by wanting everything handed to you, and completing your end game so quickly, that you eliminate a lot of the reasons to play this game. Then, you have no choice but to wait for Anet to release new content. This is partly the reason why we have bi-weekly updates. So many players had done everything this game had to offer, so to keep us happy, they gave us more content, but in piecemeal. That way, we don’t gobble it up in a week.

Players ate up content, and fully geared themselves in Exotics quickly. Anet saw this, and admitted that they weren’t prepared for how quickly we’d reach all their intended goals. Legendaries popped up within months of the game release too, something that should have taken over a year to make. With the artificial time gates in place, it forces you to stretch out your goals, and gives you a reason to work for something.

There are still ways to speed up the process. Anet gives people like you that option. But you have to pay a heavy price for instant gratification, as it’s also us players who determine how much we value Ascended mats on the Trading Post.

Shockwave.1230:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Is the fun the journey to collecting mats and crafting BiS? Or is the fun in having the BiS?

The problem isn’t what’s fun. The problem is what’s not fun, and that’s grind. Grind by it’s definition is not fun. Grind lacks mental stimulation due to its repetitive nature, stimulating content is what entertains people. When content becomes labeled as grind in someone’s mind that’s when the content itself is no longer fun, and literally the only reason people continuing do what they don’t find fun is toobtain something they will enjoy.

Ok. So what do you get if you eliminate the “grind”? Click a button and get Ascended gear, like a vending machine. Is that what you truly want?

Ahem

John Smith.4610:

The ecto rate is fine.

Becka Williams.4978:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Koracus.5780:

Infamous Darkness.3284:

“Because Evon Gnashblade’s the hero Lions Arch deserves, but not the one it needs right now.” “He’s a silent guardian. a watchful protector.” Mr. E

If Evon is Batman then Kiel must be Hawk Girl since she’s kitten LAAAAAAAAAAME

I never heard of Hawk Girl. Is she a real DC superhero?

Becka Williams.4978:

Because he wouldn’t be messing around with fractals if he had won?

Nope. Evon would have just funded the research, and our Fractal would be mile above the Thaumanova one we have now. He’s too busy providing players awesome items, and defending Lion’s Arch from evil as his alter-ego Mister E.

Evon = Batman

Yes, I remember all the Batman comics where he stole people’s money. Evon: not the hero we need, but the hero we deserve. Also, he’s probably friends with Scarlet.

There’s no need to spread lies and falsehoods. We know Kiel is severely lacking in leadership and management skills. That’s why Evon will save the day again. We shall then erect a statue in his honor.

Gene Archer.8560:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Once these players realize this, they’ll be much happier with having the gear that they can afford to have.

But that isn’t fun.

Is the fun the journey to collecting mats and crafting BiS? Or is the fun in having the BiS?

TooBz.3065:

Um.. do you follow politics at all?

Perception > facts. If enough people see a problem with something, then there is a problem.

Also, there are needs and there are needs. See, for example, “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs” you’ve picked an arbitrary level and said “this is what need means” but it’s not what need means for everyone else. Being able to functionally play the game is not enough to satisfy the “needs” of some players.

Exactly. That’s why I’ve also said that it’s the players who put these artificial demands on themselves, not Anet. Players make themselves alt unfriendly by wanting a lot of something that is hard to obtain.

Example

Player A: “I want Twilight, Dreamer, and Quip, but it takes too long to get them all. This game punishes players by setting the requirements too high.”

Player B: “I want full Ascended armor for all my characters, but it takes too long to get them all. This game punishes players by setting the requirements too high.”

As you can see, the argument is similar, and the result is the same. Once these players realize this, they’ll be much happier with having the gear that they can afford to have.

Koracus.5780:

Infamous Darkness.3284:

“Because Evon Gnashblade’s the hero Lions Arch deserves, but not the one it needs right now.” “He’s a silent guardian. a watchful protector.” Mr. E

If Evon is Batman then Kiel must be Hawk Girl since she’s kitten LAAAAAAAAAAME

I never heard of Hawk Girl. Is she a real DC superhero?

Becka Williams.4978:

Because he wouldn’t be messing around with fractals if he had won?

Nope. Evon would have just funded the research, and our Fractal would be mile above the Thaumanova one we have now. He’s too busy providing players awesome items, and defending Lion’s Arch from evil as his alter-ego Mister E.

Evon = Batman

Brother Grimm.5176:

Did you just compare the Best in Slot equipment to a Mustang? Really?

Both are really nice things to have. Wanting BiS could be compared to wanting a luxury item.

And you saw how quickly the population fully gear themselves in Exotics, and ran out of end game? Anet even admitted that they underestimated how quickly people would be getting all Exotic gear. This is probably one of the reasons behind the time gates now.

Wallace MacBix.2089:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

You will be allowed to switch stats when you have Legendary armor.

You may think its okay to have to spend 30ish days (along with all of the other associated costs) to get a new set of ascended armor (and longer to replace all of the other ascended gear) if you wish to try a new build, gear a new character, have multiple sets for different activities, or have a patch “nerf” your current build so you have to use something else, but most of us see that as completely unreasonable in a game that was sold to as a focus on horizontal progression and making it easy/quick to level and gear up any character.

If you want to experiment with different builds, you shouldn’t be doing it with the most expensive gear. Use Rares or Exotics if you want to run different builds. BiS gear is gated, and thus takes more effort to obtain.

Now as for build nerfs or rebalancing, I hear your complaint. Buying expensive gear to use for that one specific build, and then having to change, can be a valid complaint. BUT… on the flip side, the gear can still be used. The stat combos, while not what you’d prefer in a different build, is still top of the line.

Anet rebalances all the time. In GW1, certain metas forced Anet to rebalance, because certain niche metas were really over powered. My 55 Monk was destroyed, because of Ecto farming in the Underworld.

MrRuin.9740:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

Yeah for pve players it doesn’t matter. But I am not one of those. I fight things that hit back (real people) and when you face someone that has the same skillevel as you, and they have more stats, armor, and weapon damage, they will beat you.

If I played this game for PvE I would never even think about getting any ascended armor.

GW2 is not alt friendly for WvW players. That better?

You’re close. However, in WvW, I can be geared in all whites, and still win. There are two things that determine wins: Skill, and zerg size. Skill is far superior than gear. If you feel having a slight stat increase will guarantee you victories, you severely underestimate how good WvW players can be. As for zergs, you can run naked, and still survive.

What server are you playing on out of curiosity?

I’m on Maguuma. The #1 skilled NA server in WvW. We can go toe to toe with Black Gate, so long as we’re awake.

This explains a lot. If you think a person in white items can beat a player of equal skill in ascended items, you’re delusional…. but I already knew that from reading this post.

It’s done on a daily basis in our WvW. You’ll see the occasional Maguuman without armor standing over the downed body of enemies. You don’t need armor when you’re skilled enough to evade attacks. That’s why I say the Skill > Gear.

The rest of the story being that those dead enemies were AFK. I’m sure people frequently WvW naked and take down multiple enemies. You can’t just pull statistics out of the air either, though judging from other topics you’re also trolling for reactions, I have a feeling it’s a habit.

No. The WvW banter was a just a temporary debate on how skill is more important that gear. As for trolling, how is that so when all my arguments are based on facts? Is it because you don’t like that I’m defending Anet using valid arguments?

Whenever you have a debate where one side is backed by facts, and the other is based on pure opinion and speculation, guess which side will always win.