For me the worst part is the absolute refusal of ANET to fix balance issues. Why is the D/D cele ele still not nerfed? Why does engi keep getting buffed?
I seriously question whether ANET even has a balance team anymore. Knowing them, they are probably off creating some more useless traits and instead of fixing the core issues.
What can bunker versus the most amount of people for the longest?
Engi, Ele? What are you guys smoking.
It’s Guardian by a large margin. They just can’t have that ability and still 1v1 or 2v2 well.
lol. Sure. That’s why you guys run 2 cele eles. Nice joke though.
D/D cele ele is currently the best bunker in the game. Engi is second. Guardian is third.
Easy. Any OP spec:
1. nade cele engi
2. d/d cele ele
3. turret engi (for all but the highest level of ranked queue)
Before the patch, the majority of people on the forums said this was a dumb idea. In actuality, one of 2 things will happen:
1. Some people will play the game to just sit in towers. In the past, the idea of a “roaming sentry” worked. Now without the swords, people need to stay in a tower. Will they do it?
2. People decide to quit playing defense and just go offense. This will basically turn WvW more into EotM.
We shall see soon
Where are the balance updates in the latest patch? How long do people need to continue commenting on the following?
D/D cele ele
nade cele engi
turret engi
nightmare runes
@Justin: 4v5 is sometimes due to the map. If skyhammer is rolled, it is more fun to Alt-F4 and do something else than to play that map. It might be beneficial to see what maps have the most 4v5. Just a theory.
Going to T1 for roaming is like eating donuts to try to lose weight. It doesn’t make sense.
trolled? or truth… rank 80 is inevitable by playtime.
Also the decay comment is the truth. The bit about annoying though is opinion ill give it that… however im sure im not alone on that one.
Want to put that out there everytime, why cant I respond.
O god
Kudos to you being an elite engineer also
Of the 2000 players that still play PvP worldwide
of that the players that take it to the level you do
of that the players that play engineerGrats on being ONE of the better players playing a meta build engineer.
Dont kid yourself into thinking youre esports anything.
Truth.
Yes, everyone knows engi is overly strong right now. That said, either of those engis are still elite level. They were before engi became OP and they still will be once the class is nerfed back in line.
No it isn’t. There is a lot more that goes into the matchmaking now. Take a look at his wiki page that explains it in more detail.
As much as people complain about elementalists and engineers, the last class in the game that needs a buff is thief.
If you think that thieves are in a better spot than eles or engineers right now, I’d have to wonder what game you are playing.
I do not care about the leaderboard at all. It is meaningless.
I am much more concerned about getting good matches on good maps. Right now it is terrible.
Matchmaking has been broken since the update. What makes you think they’d change something just for this weekend?
Nah. The matchmaking is fine when Justin manually adjusts it to be strict.
It is still much worse than it was before the update.
Well maybe if we get a 1000 post thread about how everyone hates courtyard (except the 1 person who always choses it and makes it pop), it will get removed by next december.
Unlikely. Look at all the threads taking about how horrible Skyhammer is. So what does ANET do? They decide to force it upon people in ranked queue. I don’t know who is making these types of decisions, but they certainly have lost touch with the playerbase.
Personally, I do not care at all about leaderboards. Just give me matches that are well balanced. Right now that is the problem.
Stealth is actually weak in PvP. I love to face a mostly stealth Mesmer or thief because they are pretty much useless to the other team.
Even with the poor matchmaking, I haven’t seen one of those specs in a long time in PvP.
Matchmaking has been broken since the update. What makes you think they’d change something just for this weekend?
The Meta has come full circle, we are back to double d/d ele OP meta of launch.
It didn’t become OP until a few months after launch, but yes, d/d ele is now OP again.
it’s ok, they fixed matchmaking so now after 45 mins we can win 500-0 but just be careful when the implement dishonor for not accepting qpops…
This made me lol. All true.
I used to win about 50% in soloQ, now I am down to <20% win rate. But it isn’t just vs premade teams. Last night two of my teammates declared this was their first time doing pvp. Better question is why am I (at pvp rank 48) being teamed up with total novices? (I guess it is because of my poor recent win ratio, which of course means I will continue to be teamed up with losing teams … argh).
Because the new matchmaking is a total fail.
as title , its boring as watching paint dry. i roamed for 3hours on a tier1 server today and found 3 fights ,
lol. There haven’t been roamers in T1 in the last year. Where have you been? T1 is blogs and havoc teams.
No thanks. I don’t need to see enemy names.
The map itself is fine for hot join and unranked queue. It shouldn’t be in a ranked match.
@Justin,
Most of the comments here don’t really deal with the issue from the OP. The main problem is that no one wants to have a premade team play against a pug team. It is just not fun. Adjust the variables as needed, but that should never be allowed.
This whole thread is not needed. There are people on both sides who use cheese. It isn’t an NA vs EU vs China thing.
Everyone knows that d/d cele ele, nade cele engineer, and turret engi are cheese and OP except for people who play those specs. You can find people playing those in all regions.
uberkingkong,
It doesn’t even anything. It just starts to ignore skill differences and puts anyone with anyone after 4 minutes. So if there are top player teams waiting, they get low skilled opponents.
Personally, I question the value of “a match at any cost”.
There are high costs in slaughtering and demoralizing the average player base.
I think it should just tell the queued players “There are not enough players at your skill level at this time.”
telling players “you cant play right now because reasons” is the worst possible thing you can do for your game and always-online games have been moving away from doing that for years with lower and lower patch downtimes, less server maintenances, and in how content is doled out.
it is not an option to tell someone they cant play.
It is better than a 500-0 and the 5 players on the zero side get frustrated and stop playing pvp. That said, I agree that you want everyone to play, but not at the cost of completely uneven matchups
No. I disagree with you. It is a ladder. As they get better, they will climb the ladder. It is fine that they play right away and start at the bottom.
The issue is bad matchmaking that puts them in matches where they don’t belong.
I am having close games in duo queue but the skill discrepency is just way too much.
I am playing with newbie players. That is the main and pretty much only issue I have had with matchmaking. I should never be in a game with random pve dudes. It should never ever happen.
The matchmaking needs to make close games. But it also needs to make the players in the game of similar skill level.
I feel like it is me and 4 60% ranked people. And I am vs 5 80% ranked people. My team dies everywhere and I have to carry hard to win just by a few points. But it isn’t satisfying gameplay as I am just rolling them and they are rolling my team mates. Result = not that good.
Whoa now, you got 4 people at 60% on leaderboards and 80% on leaderboards? That’s really low, you have to be extremely bad to get that low, like a 30% chance win rate or lower.
You have to also realize that theres not many people who are considered ‘good’ that can put up ‘good fights’.
You ever play a FPS game? Where its pretty much 1 guy dominating? Sometimes its like 3 or 4 guys dominating out of like 16+ players? The other people not dominating are like all closely together score wise but nowhere near the top. Its how competitive games work, some people are just too good. Rarely you’ll get a game where its nothing but good players.
Like lets look at NA. Say you got that team that won, abjured.
The only people worthy facing them probably Iuck, Davinci, Darth Vanquisher, Hman, and Zoose. Matter of fact, I bet that team right there would won abjured. Theres other good players out there, but for now, that’s my team that I think would put up good fights against abjured.Also you have to realize, that most of those good players, play together.
How you going to get the matches you want if yall playing together?You know how you talk about you duo queing? Well if ya didn’t duo que with your buddy who is most likely just as good as you, you’d be playing against him instead, but since you duo qued with him, you stuck with all the other people who are queing at that time. You keep checking your friendslist, keep queing with all those good players, stay partied, guess what theres no other good players to go against you unless they all magically login at same time and your partied up and now theres other good players online which means your going to have good matches now.
All has to do with whose online. And if you play with the other good players to eliminate tough matches which leads to bad w/l ratio. if you party up with the good players which means you don’t face the good players, you will look much better on the leaderboard than having all those tough matches because you have to face them rather than being with them against all those newbies out there.
Whoa. You need a tldr in your posts.
So I decide to break my own rule and try a skyhammer map. I realized that I was …. right! horrible map for game play.
What made it worse is that it was a group of pugs vs a premade. I thought the new system prevented that?
Come on. Fix the matchmaking or give us the old system. At least most of my matches were even there.
Also interesting… Legancy of the Foefire, Forest of Niflhel, and Battle of Kyhlo have the lowest SD between teams.
This lends itself well to the theory of how to have a good game. If one of those maps or temple comes up, play the match. If skyhammer, spirt, or courtyard come up, alt-f4 and play on a different account for awhile.
Yes, as long as you do not like balance matches, this is a great new system.
Their last 3 maps have been skyhammer, spirit watch, and courtyard. Unless they hired a new map maker, what makes you think a new map will have any type of quality to it?
It is a map that should never have been added into ranked or unranked queue. It is funny. So many people asked ANET to remove skyhammer from solo queue. The ANET response?? Not only will they add it to ranked queue now, they will also add in another bad map to ranked queue.
I sometimes think they make decisions based on what they know will annoy the players.
1 month ban from spvp per time you leave a game seems fair, have bad internet? Too bad, improve it untill next month or dont play spvp at all.
How about we remove the sucky maps from the rotation and then less people will leave. I refuse to play skyhammer. In the past, I could just play team queue and was perfectly happy. Now I am stuck playing 3 horrible maps.
@OP:
If you are dying to people pressing 111111, you might want to reconsider how you play the map.
So basically cele ele’s dominate in any game mode?
Same thing happened to me. I got to practice my alt f4 key
So after the poor matchmaking a couple of days ago, I didn’t play yesterday. I decided to give it a try again today, and I also just ended up in a 1v1.
Can you guys just do a blog post or something once you fix PvP? I feel like a beta tester.
Since the NA T1 OCX prime have “self-balanced” their prime time and seem to have fun and the leaders of NA T1 have gotten together to discuss WvW issues, why can’t you self-balance amongst yourselves without having to buy or recruit guilds from lower tiers?
Do you really need to have all three sides queue a map in order to have fun?
Send pugs and pugmanders to EB and balance out the BLs with guild groups.
Maybe suggest to your dev contacts to have temporary intra-tier server transfers for guilds to balance out a match, something that could be useful for every tier.
Another person who does not understand the state of T1. With the exception of reset nights, you rarely see a queue on the maps. Numbers are down across the board, not just in whatever tier you are in.
TC is kind of pushy right now, but we always hope JQ and BG come out to play.
There are new people in TC, interest in PvP in our WvW guilds, we are looking for a challenge.
Don’t sell yourself short tho. TC is winning because it’s a robust server whose RP population took to WvW in ways that most people couldn’t imagine. It’s a great community that makes people want to log on and fight together.
And here it was me thinking that it was actually due to SoR imploding and a lot of those players/guilds transferring to TC allowing them to be Tier 1.
It’s understandable that you are wrong. You are correct that a lot of SoR transferred to TC 6 months or so ago. What you don’t know is that most of them left to go to other servers after season 2. Since that time, there has been a season 3.
I think a lot of people would like to try the points per kill but NOT the swords change. The first idea is interesting. The second is just bad.
The game is stale. It’s not fun for long, unless you enjoy spamming 1 with the train or are lucky enough to find lots of skirmishes while roaming and only care about fighting other players.
This right here is your issue. If you think a group fight is about pressing 1, you are not playing very well.
Or they can do Unranked queue, and be matched up now with similarly skilled players who are also casual/just there for rank farm. I think Unranked queue is a good addition
When the matchmaking is working correctly, people will get balanced match-ups regardless of whether they play ranked or unranked. The entire point of the OP is not valid. Ultimately, people will play in “ranked” with their teams or to see how high they can get up the leaderboard solo. “Unranked” will be for top team players who want to go solo or those who want to try new team members.
Seems like there is a log-in issue for certain accounts. I am not able to queue on this account, but I can queue on another account using the same computer. Here are 2 other threads of people having the same issue:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/tech/Error-42-0-9001-4409-101-When-Queuing/
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/PvP-Queue-Unable-to-gain-access-error/
Huh? This doesn’t do anything like the OP hopes. All it does it give unbalanced matches. I don’t care how good you think you are. If you are put on a team with several others who are great or poor and you compete with another team that is at the exact opposite end of the skill spectrum, that will be a blowout and not fun for either side.
Are you in ranked or unranked?
Both
I’ve gotten quite the opposite. I’ve solo queue’d 5 times so far.
4 Blowouts where we win.
1 Close loss.Maybe it’s my skill contributing, but I haven’t been paired up yet with anybody that wasn’t also solo queue’ing.
This is exactly what I am talking about. It is about the matches being completely unbalanced.
1. The matchmaking. It is not good. Teams are unbalanced in terms of skill level.
2. Team vs pug. This seems to be happening a lot more than the past. I thought the whole intent of this was for solo people to play together and team people to play together.
3. Lack of solo only play. I’ve yet to see 5 pugs vs 5 pugs. In the old system, I saw that all of the time in solo queue (obviously) and probably 50-75% of the time in team queue.
4. Courtyard. Due to the team vs pug issue I mentioned before, it just snowballs quickly
5. Spirit watch/skyhammer. I did team queue in the past just so that I never saw those maps. Now they are forced on me. I have 2 options: play something that isn’t fun or get dishonor. Bad choices
6. Integrated leaderboards. Will benefit team players more than solo players. There is no way to avoid that. Integrated = bad.
7. On some characters (this one for example), I can’t even queue for maps. I need to log into a different account to even play. I get some error codeHope that helps.
Thanks. Follow up questions. Anyone else feel free to answer as well.
1) Is this something you’ve noticed primarily in one arena vs the other?
2, 3) Are you willing to wait longer for a match if it greatly reduced the odds of this happening?
7) Does it only happen on just one account, or does it just happen more frequently on that account?
1. Both ranked and unranked
2/3. I averaged about 3-4 minutes for a queue before. I am fine with that if it gives me a good match. At the very least, there should be logic that a premade of 3 or more should never face a group of 5 pugs.
7. I haven’t been able to play a game on this account yet. I click on compete or play and nothing happens. A few seconds later, I get the message “the game client is unable to gain access to the log-in server…..” It happens every time on this account. It does not happen on any of my other accounts from the same computer.
I never thought I’d say that I miss the old system, but wow. This new system was NOT ready for prime time. It is not fun.
Can you elaborate? We have plenty of things we can tweak to improve matchmaking now, so qualitative feedback is useful.
1. The matchmaking. It is not good. Teams are unbalanced in terms of skill level.
2. Team vs pug. This seems to be happening a lot more than the past. I thought the whole intent of this was for solo people to play together and team people to play together.
3. Lack of solo only play. I’ve yet to see 5 pugs vs 5 pugs. In the old system, I saw that all of the time in solo queue (obviously) and probably 50-75% of the time in team queue.
4. Courtyard. Due to the team vs pug issue I mentioned before, it just snowballs quickly
5. Spirit watch/skyhammer. I did team queue in the past just so that I never saw those maps. Now they are forced on me. I have 2 options: play something that isn’t fun or get dishonor. Bad choices
6. Integrated leaderboards. Will benefit team players more than solo players. There is no way to avoid that. Integrated = bad.
7. On some characters (this one for example), I can’t even queue for maps. I need to log into a different account to even play. I get some error code
Hope that helps.