Condi spam was bad before the patch. People on the forums told ANET this fact. So, in typical ANET fashion, they decided to increase condi spam.
@OP:
The specs that you mentioned need an even larger reduction. ANET has said they want to lessen the amount of skill-less (passive) play. My hope is that we will see these specs nerfed more.
@OP:
They removed the ranks to hide their poor matchmaking.
@OP:
Wrong forum. EotM is a PvE map. This is the WvW forum.
Weird i killed lot’s of enemies in mist after i got bored dodging arrow carts in borderlands.
Me too. Those NPCs are fun.
You guys don’t understand the logic here.
This is a ANET vs forum users thing. Last year, ANET told us that the forum users do not speak for the general WvW community. To prove their point, ANET disregarded feedback from the forum users about priorities and instead went out and created the new EotM map.
That is however a blantant lie.
People on these very forums were more or less DEMANDING something to fix the queue-times in WvW and also wanted a new map, and we got both of those things in one sweep.
But I suppose that was not what people actually wanted?
Sigh. Some people don’t get it. What people DEMAND and what people RECEIVE are not necessarily the same thing. People wanted a new WvW map, not a new KARMA train map.
It is funny how all of you are arguing without really understanding what the OP is asking.
@OP:
You need to be more specific. Best thief for what? Conquest mode, 1v1, small group fights??? The answer depends on what you are trying to learn.
In this order… Of course all need to be GC and specced for max DPS.
1. Ele
2. Mesmer
3. Warrior
4. Thief
This would be a horrible idea. Server pride is more important in WvW than anywhere else in the game.
@OP:
Wrong forum. EotM is a PvE map. This is the WvW forum.
Or they could implement an anti-PvP trap where people can only run around and karma train. The name of this trap would be “EotM”.
Necros have been strong for the last year. There is nothing new here.
@OP:
I still would like to see hotjoin removed completely. I’d much rather have an unranked team queue (which can join as a solo) and the custom arenas that allow whatever rules people want.
@OP:
Of your list, these are the ones that I think need a nerf:
Fear duration – Way too long right now. It isn’t fun to fight against either.
Diamond Skin – This is the opposite of the engi AR. Nothing should be 100%. Imagine if there was a trait that didn’t allow any direct damage when you were above 90%. People would complain. It is the same with this skill.
A few other comments:
1. I wouldn’t touch warrior right now. We need to see how things balance out.
2. AOE condition spam is too high right now.
Swagg, " Thief is overpowered because it serves a role that doesn’t need to exist in a game without a dedicated healer or damage-mitigation class. GW2 wasn’t built for pure classes. An argument could be made that pure classes are a burden on any MMO altogether. In any case, Thief outright shouldn’t be in GW2 because it breaks a lot of common rules that go into balancing combat.
Very well said.
Even these mmo’s in the market: Wow, Rift, A.A, Tera, P.W, B.S, R.O.M, A.C, D.C.U.O, L.O.R., FF14, including furure mmo’s: Bless, Titan, Black Desert, E.Q, L.O etc…..
Do Not violate balance and common rules for Balance.
except this one,
Guild Wars 2
How does Guild Wars 2 stand a chance against them?
They all know the consequence of not abiding by the balance rules and common rules.
They all know the consequence of ignoring the community main concerns.
Why us Guild Wars 2 choosing the path of self-destruction?
and yet here you are playing the game.
Yes. Guild events are really messed up. Allow guilds to create their own instances when activating a guild event or guild mission. The current implementation is really poor.
Yeah, this is bad. When a guild kicks off a new mission, they should be able to choose whether to create a new instance. It is annoying.
Yeah, we pretty much all knew this going in. An odd number of weeks doesn’t much much sense.
The ladder isnt broken. Its based on MMR and its works….with 2 exceptions.
- Matchmaking that prefers short q times over good matchmaking. So as top 100 player youll be teamed with or matched against a lot of ppl who have never been top 1000 even.
- New players skyrocketing to the absolute top of the ladder (and therefor obtaining top MMR) during their first games. And its not just one example, there are hundreds.
Your second point is the biggest issue. If they resolve that and add in some permanent leaderboard decay, I’d be happy.
I don’t understand why you guys don’t have a ladder system similar to WoW? Also we need ladders INGAME!
Every look at the wall of champions, listing the PAX winners?
SO epic…NOT
That’s better than listing the shoutcasters.
Who cares about solo queue leaderboard? Unless you really need something to stroke your epeeeen on.
How else do you measure individual skill in PvP? Duels would be ideal, but until then….
You’ll be dead face down in the mud if you’re running such cheesy builds.
Is that why there are so few thieves and warriors in the meta right now?
Do you even play TDM? The meta is currently AOE condi spam. If everyone in a thread disagrees with you, you might want to ask yourself why.
Not really, in fact that’s a very stupid thing to say but I had fun at your expense none the less so thank you.
It’s ok. It just takes some people longer to learn than others. You’ll understand eventually. As others have said though, if you don’t enjoy the game mode, don’t play it. At least that way, you can go post on a thread where you know more about the topic.
You’ll be dead face down in the mud if you’re running such cheesy builds.
Is that why there are so few thieves and warriors in the meta right now?
Do you even play TDM? The meta is currently AOE condi spam. If everyone in a thread disagrees with you, you might want to ask yourself why.
A few comments on all of this…
1. Ranks should have NOTHING to do with mmr.
2. mmr is gained too quickly. That is the issue with the matchmaking
3. Decay needs to be permanent and not just a leaderboard item. Seeing someone go from 20% to 93% in one game is ridiculous.
Condi was OP before. Now it is over the top.
Lyssa still removes 5 conditions. Do you happen to have more than 5 conditions on you? if so, do you think even the old Lyssa would have saved you?
Now you can’t get stability or activate lyssa prior to engaging or all the boons. There are MUCH better runes available right now, I’d go as far to say they buried lyssa runes this patch.
Except if you use lyssa as intended : for condi clear.
Yeah! Do not violate Uhtameit’s game mode.
WAYPOINTS are a joke, a 80 man blob should not be able to get from NORTH CAMP to Hills/Bay at the speed of light if a 10 man group spends 5 mins getting to inner, ru kidding me right now BRO u must be new to this….
If everyone tells you that you are wrong, maybe you should reconsider your point.
Agreed. Most important is adding a bank.
I am having fun with the new map. Just one request… increase the area around the top. It is too easy for people to just spam AOE in a narrow space.
Agreed. I’m not sure why these are still in solo queue.
The old daily system was much better. If all I wanted to do was PvP, I could still complain the daily. If all I wanted to do was WvW, I could still complete the daily.
It feel like this change is in direct opposite to the core principle of GW2, which is play the game the way you want.
The problem is that condi was king BEFORE the patch. Now it is just over the top.
news to all romers… now u have team death match map with no capture points… give it a try and stop QQ about wvw.
Ignorant statements like that would lead one to think you don’t know anything about WvW. Keep your insults to yourself.
Maybe Rapier needs someone to explain to him the difference between WvW and PvP.
@OP:
It has been a tanky condi meta for the last year. Nothing has changed.
A sneak peak:
1. Take some of the stuff that people hate the most about EotM and bring it into WvW.
2. Add some more mastery skills that no one wants
3. The swiss tournament method wasn’t bad enough. Find an even worse model for season 3.
4. Add in more living story events into WvW
5. Reduce the drop rate of dragonite
6. Eliminate the possibility of ascended armor drops
Give them some credit. Everyone requested more features for the commander system. They delivered by making it so that enemies can no longer see the commander. That should pretty much satisfy everyone. Nothing else needed.
I want to give Blu and the guys from Mistpedia a huge thank you for organizing and hosting this tournament. I also want to give a big thank you to all the members of the community who stepped up to volunteer to help out. This tournament was able to expand from 16 to 64 teams per region due to the efforts of Mistpedia and these volunteers. Helping each other out to make events like this even bigger is what community is all about.
As much as we all wanted to accommodate all of the teams that signed up, the logistics of handling a 128 team tournament, when we originally planned for 16, would be too much to execute within such a limited timeframe. We will be working to make sure future events are able to take into account sign-ups of this magnitude.
Thanks again Blu and crew!
John
Lesson learned: Don’t offer legendaries for 16 player tournaments. Good rewards cause strong interest which is a great thing.
ANET really missed an opportunity here. For the next tournament, do this over a few weekends, build some excitement, and end up with a true champion at the end. It will cause more interest in PvP and create some “PvP celebrities”. Right now, only a very few people (relatively speaking) know the top teams or players.
For this particular tournament, I think Blu and team did the best they could to try to accommodate as many people as possible. Major props to them for that.
As others have said, if you are dropping internet connection, stop being selfish. You are no the only person in the game. When you drop, you mess up the game for everyone else.
and remember, if you drop during tournament of legends, your team will pretty much be guaranteed to lose.
@OP: Wow…
You should go tell GF and others not to use 30 points in virtues. They probably don’t know how to play guardian yet.
Also, I think you’ll see a number of people running the +300 vit in WvW. With the boon duration nerf, I think you’ll see people switching over to rune of the soldier. So +300 vit and still keep the condi clears from the soldier rune.
Rune of the Soldier (now Trooper) was meta pre-patch. Funnily enough, meta may be shifting away from Soldier runes in the near future.
Edit: If you’re not taking PoV with Runes of the Soldier you’re doing many things wrong. If you drop PoV in favour of +300 Vit, then you may as well drop the Runes of the Soldier.
Not really. Why would you purposely remove 2 condi clear? 1 is better than none.
What you need to remember is that a lot of people ran PoV and with a boon duration spec. My comment is targeted towards them. It really depends what you want from your guardians…. longer stability really was OP prior to the nerf.
The way we ran was that shout heal warriors were more responsible for condi heal and guardians were more responsible for protection and stability.
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and certain warrior specs. Best straight line escape speed and can be specced for either good damage or strong condi + heal.
Yes! I am so happy to see this thread. People laughed at me when I said that AR wasn’t going to solve the problem.
Where are all these people who were critical now????
Actually, I think the elimination of the soulbound concept is really good. I am glad they implemented it.
Next I would like to see a bigger focus on guilds and giving them new things to do together.
@OP: Wow…
You should go tell GF and others not to use 30 points in virtues. They probably don’t know how to play guardian yet.
Also, I think you’ll see a number of people running the +300 vit in WvW. With the boon duration nerf, I think you’ll see people switching over to rune of the soldier. So +300 vit and still keep the condi clears from the soldier rune.
P/d condi got a nice buff for pvp. Confusion + krait, get some real good cover up conditions. I’ll greatly miss sleight of hand but meh had to move on eventually.
AE, IP are aweful and won’t be used for anything other than testing. People will soon realize how little it brings as a GM trait. The new SA trait could be nice though.
People use P/D in pvp? I never see that outside of WvW.
@OP:
How do you ever backstab while you have the revealed buff? It is not possible, so of course the new trait wouldn’t impact it.
The reality is that I don’t think any of the new traits will be used.
GS F1 burst attack does terrible low damage, AA does more!!
Also it doesnt increase its damage based on adrenaline lvl…
The extra fury is good, reduce its cast time and buff its damage.And fix the kitten rush!!
Buff this while at the same time nerfing the damage on eviscerate and kill shot.
@OP:
Actually, single target condi damge is fine. I think it is in a good place. AOE condi damage needs a nerf. AOE in general is skill-less and should take a hit (this applies to condi and direct damage)
Engineer isnt any better.
80% skill fact updates
5% useless GM traits no one uses
5% turret bugfixes, but no one uses turrets and still wont
10% balance updates, that are all nerfs based on a stupidly gimmicky gamemodeIf i could go back to prepatch i would. This, along with the mess that is runes and sigils isnt worth acountbound WXP or that wardrobe.
That’s because the game is balanced around conquest mode in PvP. In that scenario, most people considered Engi to be OP.
The issue is that in WvW or in PvE, no one has ever considered engi one of the better classes.
There weren’t really any WvW features in this release. The wxp change just fixes an earlier design mistake.
That said, just be happy they didn’t pull any of the trash from EotM into WvW.
I would never play any deathmatch mode in GW2. It just can’t work.
It already does work and it is fun.
If anyone is still looking for it, I found one in The Grove next to the trading post.
That was a big help. Thanks!