Guild Wars 2

Chaith.8256:

style.6173:

Valentin.2073:

thieves are not bunkers but they are still meta. this is confusing. O.o

Until Apex prime came and showed a better way.

Not necessarily..

I think Apex would run a thief if they had players that played it.

Possibly, or maybe they would run a thief if warriors weren’t so strong right now. Hence the bunker meta.

Valentin.2073:

thieves are not bunkers but they are still meta. this is confusing. O.o

Until Apex prime came and showed a better way.

monkeysensei.6492:

Overall WvW is more a measure of server population than server pvp skill. Certain top tier servers can just rely on zerg tactics to beat out a server like Maguuma or Dragonbrand which have half the population. Either some server population ppt balancing needs to happen or the high pop servers need to be grouped together. If this does not happen, the same servers will almost always dominate the WvW leaderboards making these tournaments pointless exercises with the results a foregone conclusion.

and we care why?

EotM was ANET’s vision for the future of WvW. Unfortunately, it failed and is much better suited as a PvE karma train map.

It shouldn’t even be called WvW.

Simon.3794:

PU mesmer , PD thief, MM necro

most broken spec of all, more like cancer specs, tho not viable in tPvP.

Not sure if you play PvP or not. PU mesmer and PD thief aren’t an issue in this game mode. SD thief is a much bigger issue here.

Loosmaster.8263:

that baby stealing dingo.7216:

If I may restate my original post more succinctly: I can enter WvW at level 2, but see no good reason to do so.

Go with the meta and zerg in EoTM.

This ^^ EotM is essentially a PvE map where you once in a while fight people. It is a good middle ground between PvE and WvW.

@OP:

I think it is pretty well established that the majority of players hate the map. The issue is that the majority of ANET thinks it is a good map. Until they realize they are wrong, it will stay.

Actually easiest to play are this order:

1. Decap Engi
2. Hambow
3. Spirit ranger
4. mm necro

P/D is really dependent on the quality of opponent given the dependency on CnD.

The main issue for me is the bunker meta. Bunker vs bunker is incredibly boring and dps vs bunker should be won by the bunker.

Just not fun.

Lux.7169:

style.6173:

It was nice to see the first non-auto entry team make it to the round of 8. I hope we see more of this the rest of the day.

They were an auto-entry team. They just lost their seeded position after some re-evaluation or something.

Oh. I thought there were only 8 auto selected teams.

It was nice to see the first non-auto entry team make it to the round of 8. I hope we see more of this the rest of the day.

Avenge.1478:

Wrong, about 5 seconds after this was taken myself and 2 other guildies killed you.

Congrats?

@OP:

Yes because then warriors would truly have no counter.

Yeah, thieves are not good right now. Condi spam them. That kills everything other than a S/D.

Drafigo.4690:

style.6173:

The team queue is also broken. Yesterday I saw a matchup of a premade “outplayed by children” (one of the top 4 NA teams) vs 5 pugs.

How can that even happen???

I have been in a pug group and done this many times. Just cause your a top team doesn’t mean you never lose. When I play teams like this me and my friend sit on there home point adding pressure to the pre made they didn’t expect. but this had nothing to do with the topic they got paired with people there own MMR.

Actually no. The pug rankings were all in the 80% while outplayed with children were all top 25.

The team queue is also broken. Yesterday I saw a matchup of a premade “outplayed by children” (one of the top 4 NA teams) vs 5 pugs.

How can that even happen???

Condi spam is ridiculous at this point. It needs a big adjustment.

Lord Kuru.3685:

style.6173:

I think ANET had a strong interest in the PvE CDI. There were a lot of good responses and dialogue there.

The WvW one seemed forced. I think the ANET WvW lead was forced to do it and so he spent the minimal time possible on it.

More like: Anet made more effort to pretend they were listening in the PvE CDIs, whereas they didn’t even bother to do that for the WvW one.

They actually did implement some of the PvE stuff especially around horizontal progression. You are correct about WvW though.

@OP:

Stop caring about the overall server score and go look for fights. Regardless of whether an entire server is outnumbered, you can still find fights during your time zone.

kiwituatara.6053:

Why I dislike WvW seasons:

1. Too long
WvW seasons are too long. Playing the same servers repetitively is boring. After the first 2 weeks, we pretty much know the server ranking. Heck, you can pretty much predict the ranking http://mos.millenium.org/na/ before the seasons even started.

2. Pre-determined Rewards
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/get-ready-for-wvw-spring-tournament-2014/
Like mentioned before. Rankings of servers are pretty much pre-determined and the rewards are already locked in depending on server size.

The only way for you to get better rewards is:
A. By having lots of major guilds paying to move to your server.
B. Paying to get into a higher populated server.
C. Lucky enough to already be in a “winning” server.

WvW seasons are not server tournaments. It is a reshuffling of guilds/individuals in hope for better rewards.

You are mostly wrong:

1. "WvW seasons are too long. Playing the same servers repetitively is boring. " Do you realize that regular matchups are way more repetitive? At least now we can see a different match-up every week.
2. “Rankings of servers are pretty much pre-determined and the rewards are already locked in depending on server size.” Perhaps you missed one of the 30 BG rage threads about the double team.

Is this thread a joke? Necro is currently in a great place right now. Condis are the current meta in PvP and WvW.

EverythingEnds.4261:

Or:
Tie your progress more to the ladder / rank system.
I know, the ladders suck and ranks don’t represent skill, but those are the only both mesures we have.

If MM works properly, the best players would progress as fast as the worst, as both of them would get paired with other very good / very bad players.

This ^^.

Personally, I want as many people as possible in team queue. It will make the overall situation better for everyone. We just need better matchmaking so that people of similar skill levels play together.

egan.2751:

its really not fun any more i’m forced to reroll to an other class cuz with an ele in the team its a 4v5 kinda

Yeah, watch the video posted in this thread. Eles are definitely good in PvP at this point.

Wow. A lot of people who run away are in this thread.

The casters did a great job.

The issue is that conquest itself isn’t overly fun to watch. I personally enjoy the weekly 2v2 more.

Wolfey.3407:

Better question, does Mike O’Brien even play the game? Or is he that guy that barks orders and hides in the office?

I think he retired when they decided to kill the original manifesto.

I think ANET had a strong interest in the PvE CDI. There were a lot of good responses and dialogue there.

The WvW one seemed forced. I think the ANET WvW lead was forced to do it and so he spent the minimal time possible on it.

@OP: Why do you care so much? If someone runs away, they are obviously doing it because they are less talented than you. Enjoy the victory.

They are too busy infracting posts. Seasons are here which means they need to kill a lot of matchup threads.

If you point it out, you get infracted.

Apparently not you OP since you just created another thread about it.

@Everyone,

Stop violating the OP’s game mode. This is a karma train map and organized groups mess up the PvE players.

:p

A fantastic idea and I hope it gets implemented.

This was a great tournament. Things I learned:

—#llamaprophecies and a lot of luck gets you a new finisher
—Precursors are not just for PvE players anymore
—If you lose, just do a Posi (joking aside, I hope that guy is banned from all future ANET sponsored tournaments. What a disgrace.)
—Mesmers are way more valuable to top teams than to average teams
—Eles are back

Great tournament and I’m looking forward to NA.

Jappy.6907:

I cant wait til season 2 ends. I’m excited to see HoD going tier 1. I think they got potential

HoD hasn’t even faced T2 yet. First step is getting by Mag and DB. After that, it is getting by SoS who is T1.5 and then knocking off one of the big 3.

Another one of these threads??? @OP: I get it. You were promised an easy mode ride to a win when the server bought you.

ANET has already said they did 3 way matches for a reason. The purpose is to beat down a stronger server (or beat down a server with the most complainers)

I’d just like to see the passive more directly tied to healing power.

Regardless of whether you agree or not, the no restarts rule was clearly stated in the rules. So, no point arguing about that.

I do like the idea of a pause button though. That could be interesting as long as only the arena owner can use it.

lordkrall.7241:

style.6173:

Sigh. Some people don’t get it. What people DEMAND and what people RECEIVE are not necessarily the same thing. People wanted a new WvW map, not a new KARMA train map.

I think the more correct statement would be: What people DEMAND and what people WANT are not necessarily the same thing.

What we got was exactly what was asked for. A new map and ways to play WvW while waiting for queue.
You might not like the way it was done, but it was exactly what people asked for.

Actually when they did a CDI and everyone voted on the top 3 changes to WvW, a new map wasn’t one of the top 3.

Regardless, I got infracted for my post. As they say the truth hurts and I think ANET realizes it and tried to hide it.

Would need a new map. The current ones don’t lend themselves well to 1v1

EotM was supposed to represent ANET’s vision for WvW. They had a lot of new ideas and implemented them there. This was in direct response to players saying ANET was out of touch.

So, the outcome? a great place for PvE, but failed as a WvW future.

@OP:

Removal of bad maps is considered a feature. Unfortunately we need to wait for the next feature build.

@OP:

How do you know their rank? Ranks aren’t displayed anymore.

What is taking ANET so long here? Nerf passive skills, buff active ones. It isn’t that hard.

You guys didn’t really think the warrior was getting nerfed, did you?

A number of us asked ANET to not cap the ranks at 80. They chose to disregard it.

Nah. 8v8 is fun as well.

lordhelmos.7623:

There is a new thief trend in WvW and SPvP that uses basilisk venom while in stealth in order to proc rune of the krait for backstab.

The result is an instant hit stunning backstab that also applies poison, torment, and bleeding for 8s at the same time. It’s nearly impossible to recover from and you can’t anticipate it because the attack comes from stealth and there is no delay from when the rune procs to when backstab hits.

If you can’t recover from 1 stack of torment, 1 stack of bleeding, and one 8 seconds of poison, I think you might want to reevaluate your build.

No power build is going to use Krait runes, so a condi spec backstab won’t hit too hard.

What?

GC eles are NOT a pellet gun. They have maybe the biggest burst combo in the game. Ele is actually the only class that has ever melted me on guardian.

@OP:

I disagree. I have all exotic on my warrior and I rarely die.

I thought that party size in PvP was 5, but that team size could go up to 10?