Guild Wars 2

BrunoBRS.5178:

Balsa.3951:

But I personal feel commander match since we where commander in the ls. Dragonslayer I like too

dragonslayer is so cheesy i’d be able to cook pasta with the dialogue. please don’t ever refer to my character as that.

“let the XxX_Dr4gonSlay3r_XxX go in first”

Pier Darkmountain: No match for the Commander, you mean. To the Dragonslayer!
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Victory_or_Death#Dialogue

Too late.

Nightmare Courtiers retaining souls if corrupted by Mordremoth require one very specific question to be answered:

Do sylvari even have souls?

We never see one, and as proven by sylvari in the Grove near the cultural armor vendors:

Warden: It’s a good day to return to the dream.
Warden (2): What do you mean?
Warden: When a warrior says, “It’s a good day to return to the Dream,” it means it’s a good day to die.
Warden (2): I see. How do you know we return to the Dream when we die.
Warden: I don’t. It’s just wishful thinking.
Warden (2): Oh. Then, I won’t wish you a good day.

It’s been ~25 years and the sylvari aren’t sure if they go to the Dream, returns to the Pale Tree, or the Mists (per Carys during The Source of Orr if you did both Act with Wisdom and Vigil’s invasion plan – not on wiki, sadly), or what-have-you.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

More than double, potentially, if there’s more than a single change to a zone like how many times Lion’s Arch had been changed – such as the Mad King destroying the lion statue. Or it replaced with the hologram projector after the election.

During all those iterations, how many LW (read: non-holiday) stories take place in them?

Variations of LA needed (tops)
1) Personal Story
2) The Lost Shores
3) Dragon Bash/Sky Pirates
4) Escape from Lion’s Arch/Battle for Lion’s Arch

There were story in LA during Bazaar of the Four Winds, The Origins of Madness, and The Four Winds – howevern one of them were invovled around the Grand Piazza or would even be able to see the Lion’s Court nor Lion’s Gate thus using The Lost Shores’ version would be viable for them.

Lion’s Arch would certainly be taking up the most, but it certainly wouldn’t be enough to multiply the entire size of maps by triple or more. Not until we get very far into the game’s lifespan – by which time not saving maps would be a larger harm.

But if they merely saved a portion of maps when a change in the world map alters a story instance (the portion being the size of what is witnessable while within the instance) then the size decreases greatly. More than now, yes, but less than the ‘obvious’ answer.

Normally I’d say:

Angel McCoy.1832:

If every single person in this fantasy world knew your name and knew that YOU were the one at the forefront of killing Zhaitan, then it wouldn’t be very realistic.

Zhaitan was killed.

But then:

BobbyStein.2315

Unless we’ve built content around something, it’s usually considered malleable from a design and lore standpoint. Occasionally we decide to go in a different direction months or years after the first ideas are documented or even talked about externally. In some cases that means what one member of staff says in an interview can change when it comes time to building a release. It’s part of our iterative process.

In short, go by what’s in the game.

So I guess that’s all malleable. Still, Angel’s post was merely 2 weeks-ish ago! Surely she couldn’t be retconning herself so quic- y’know, never mind. I’m sure I’d be proven wrong.

Lindelle.3718:

Wolfie! Stahp! What are you doing?!

Wolfie, noooooo!!

kitten it Moon Moon!

BrunoBRS.5178:

malyck is amnesiac though, so for all we know his distance and loss is feeling disconnected from his tree’s dream.

He’s not an amnesiac. That’s a false presumption made by the PC due to Malyck not knowing jack about the Pale Tree, Dream, and Grove. If you go with Caithe, this is pointed out as clearly a the moon on a cloudless day.

Whether he had a Dream is inconclusive but evidence leads to “no” while still retaining some degree of empathy.

SpeedFiend.4521:

As for ED minions being soulless… They aren’t. The 7th Reaper points out that Grenth wants his priest returned. That is to say his soul, as Grenth doesn’t drag your physical body to the Underworld, just your spirit.

Some aren’t soulless. Some are.

We don’t know the case for minions created out of lifeless matter like destroyers and seemingly Mordrem, nor are we really clear on the case for icebrood and branded. But with risen, it seems to be “grunts are soulless, mid-ranked and higher have souls.”

Thus far Season 2 has more to do with Season 1 than the personal story, however it’s probably best to know the Personal Story before Season 2 continues. Any instance that takes place in Lion’s Arch as well as the instance Forging the Pact are now full of continuity errors due to the maps of instances using open world maps (thus Forging the Pact, which happens at Fort Concordia, is destroyed by Mordremoth’s vines when he isn’t even awake and won’t be for roughly 2 years; and any instance in Lion’s Arch appears in destroyed Lion’s Arch, rather than pre-destroyed LA).

Later on as we go more and more into fighting the Elder Dragon, it will no doubt become more relevant to the Personal Story at least in terms of the Pact.

MatthewMedina.5419:

Solving this for our existing instances was not as simple as reserving a custom map for every instance, either, as that would entail a significant number of new maps to be generated, which would all need to be downloaded and stored in the DAT. There are hundreds of instances for the personal story, so even compressed that many custom instance maps would add dozens of GB to your DAT. So at the very least, we determined that we couldn’t accomplish this retroactively, but we are certainly still discussing all the implications of this limitation, and how it impacts your experience with our storytelling.

Why can’t you just add in 31 new maps (1 per zone, 1 per city) which are the originals and shared between the personal story steps in full – so all personal story steps use the same “original Lion’s Arch map” if they take place there, etc. for each one.

Then add in a variation of each altered-and-returned-to-zone for each new season when they get altered. Thus with Season 1 we’d get 9 maps (2 Kessex Hills, 1 DR, 3 LA, 1 Lornar’s, and 2 Southsuns), and thus far we’d get 4 with Season 2 (2 Dry Top, one having a non-destroyed Prosperity for our Taimi to be safe in, 1 new Timberline, and 1 new Kessex). If there’s no variation done to the world map, no need for a new copy – the instances can just use the new one.

So at least, you merely double the amount of open world maps in the game, rather than having one per each individual step.

Then again, I don’t think there’s a personal story step in Frostgorge, is there? So you can then knock off one from that list. And my S1 list only takes into account if there’s instances made to replace (most of) the S1’s open world content when Season 1 gets retroactively turned into Story Journal content (make that soon please <3).

And this is only if you’re preparing for any future alteration to any map in existence! If you wanted, you can only create a duplicate map when that zone gets altered – thus, presently, you’d only need 12 maps – and that’s if you care enough to remove the karka warning posters from LA for any Personal Story step and if you think the Marionette’s Landing alteration would affect any PS steps in Lornar’s (so you can even have 10 maps only!).

And you can further reduce the size of said maps by taking into consideration the boundaries of each instance, and removing any part of the map that wouldn’t be seen by the collective of the instances in the map. E.g., no map ever goes to War King’s Camp in Harathi Hinterlands – it doesn’t exist in the PS maps now! That saves quite a bit of room, I’m sure. Especially if you go the latter route of only making a unique map once the zone gets an alteration in the open world.

Smokey.7652:

While what you are saying is true right now you have to consider long term. What happens when a season five instance affects a season three instance that affects a personal story instance. That is where the amount of data starts to pile up. While your idea might work as a stop gap I would rather have them put resources into a long-term fix rather then a stop gap.

If this game manages to last for 5 seasons – with each season being a year and a half long, presuming S1’s length will be standard, thus resulting in 7.5 years of life after release – then it should be expected for the game to be huge at that point in time.

Even if you use modern maps everywhere – which will just be a HUGE clusterkitten for continuity (which is worse than having a huge dat file!) – then you’re still going to have a huge gw.dat.

If you however keep a single map for all instances until that map changes where you create a new isolated map that copies the previous version, then you will only have as many maps as there are versions of the map that also have instances attached. And that’s only necessary if the instances would include the altered variation of the map.

For example, there’s no need for a new map of the Black Citadel if all it touches is the Gladium Canton since no PS step takes place there. There’s currently only a single PS step taking place in Iron Marches – so unless Iron Marches is altered that specific spot, then who cares if Iron Marches uses the modern map? No one can tell because you wouldn’t even be able to see the new map changes.

Ronin.7381:

Ok in regards to the whole “Rule of 50”. I said there was no must to it, it’s based on what takes place and went on in this cycle. You called that assertion false but then you go off post what was posted above. I don’t understand, you tell me what is already known while trying to prove me wrong on what again?

You said that the awakening of the Elder Dragons being every roughly 50 years was just the interpretations of NPCs.

This is not the case, they did awaken once every 50-odd years.

Ronin.7381:

That’s fine… I guess? Speculators will speculate. I mean, I can’t tell you that you’re wrong and I certainly don’t have any other form of idea that could possibly contradict that. All I can do is shrug and say, “Cool.” Their origins on Tyria predate the Gods, that’s saying a lot in such a simple way.

My point in that bit was that there’s really no reason to believe that the activation of the orbs relates to the order of awakening, especially since 4 out of 6 orbs are out of order to this awakening.

Ronin.7381:

This doesn’t explain anything. As we make note, Mordremoth. Who either has awoken 7 years ahead of schedule or late if the interpretation of the ending cutscene is to be taken literally. So no, it isn’t a law or natural repeating process – it’s based on limited sources.

Reread that quote. Grubb is talking about within the past 250 years. He’s relaying to the current cycle in explaining the time leap from GW1 to GW2. As he said, 250 years is a long time in human terms but quite instant in the grand scheme of all things – so that’s a lot of history gaps that need filling in. Not that it’s a law or necessity, he doesn’t denounce the possibility of being coincidence.

Exactly, Jeff is referring to this cycle. This cycle, the Elder Dragons awoke 50 years from each other. Despite Thalador’s rather interesting theory that could account to the orbs being awakening order, Jeff’s statement remains thus:

This cycle, the Elder Dragons awoke 50 years (roughly) from each other.

Yes, it means that Mordremoth awoke out of time – being 43 years early (roughly).

Primordus awoke. 50 years later (roughly), Jormag awoke. 50 years later (roughly), Zhaitan awoke. 50 years later (roughly), the krait fled their homelands which match the description for where the DSD awoke (DSD = deepest part of the seas; krait = deepest trenches of the Unending Ocean). 50 years later (roughly), Kralktorrik awoke. 7 years later (exactly), Mordremoth awoke.

Primordus’ awakening was shown with the skritt and murrellow breaching the surface as well as the dwarves all going down to fight him under the Rite. Jormag’s awakening was known by the norn very soon. Zhaitan’s awakening was known by Cobiah Marriner as he saw the dragon awake (everyone else denied Zhaitan’s existence – thinking Jormag was one of a kind – until Port Stalwart was wiped out). Kralkatorrik’s awakening was known right away too.

There is no “interpretation” for their awakening dates; except the exact date of the DSD’s awakening. Unless there are two “deepest” parts of the waters of Tyria (which kind of means… one isn’t the deepest).

Ronin.7381:

There’s some merit but then it again throws a cog out of the machine that claims the “rule of 50”. It would mean that Mord and Kral did not spawn they should have, so this whole every-50 years cannot be applied. I mean that’s only explanation I can think of to suggest what we see in the order in which they light up and move; something delayed these two. Intervention. Be it divine or accident.

Either you mean “Mord or Kral” or just “Mord”. Kralkatorrik awoke 50 years after the heavily implied date of the DSD’s awakening, and 100 years after Zhaitan.

The situation is simple:

Either the Movement of the World is wrong – again – which makes it as full of lies as the History of Tyria as well as Jeff Grubb being a liar there (hey, out-of-game sources are “malleable” after all!), and something messed up both Zhaitan and Mordremoths’ awakening and we’re just wrong about the DSD’s awakening, or those orbs simply do not represent awakening.

I prefer the idea that it represents their birth/creation (oldest to youngest) or even their level of strength (with strongest to weakest).

Ronin.7381:

There’s no rule or law stating that dragons must wake up every 50 years. It’s only what the NPC historians can account for based on visual and here-say interpretation.

False.

Why did the elder dragons awaken now, and nearly all at once?

By “nearly” you mean “once every fifty years or so over the past 250 years”. This is a lifetime in human terms, but an eyeblink in the history of the world. They are primordial powers that now are growing restive and unleashing their power on the world.

Why exactly are they waking up now? Unrevealed, but they are waking up hungry.

http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/09/02/guild-wars-2-interview/

Jeff Grubb himself said they awoke every 50 years or so. So it isn’t merely based on what “NPC historians can account for based on visual and here-say interpretation.”

And even then, the orbs cannot account awakening order, since we know Kralkatorrik was after Zhaitan, but here we have Kralkatorrik’s orb shining before Zhaitan’s.

Those skeletons are Leviathans as pointed out in the personal story step Stealing Light.

Stirring of champions? But Glint stirred first! Purple should be first then.

I prefer age. Or strength. Those make more sense, and makes future plots more interesting.

Indirectly, yes.

The Movement of the World talked about the Elder Dragons in the order of their awakening, though when that was written Jormag and Zhaitan’s placement of awakening were switched around. In an interview between Kill Ten Rats and Jeff Grubb, Jeff was asked why the Elder Dragons awaken at such a distance from each other and Jeff responded with “you mean why they awaken roughly 50 years apart?” (paraphrased) before answering. The krait and quaggan blog posts make heavy references about their ways of life changing 50 years prior to the game, and Angel McCoy in a forum post indirectly confirmed the conclusions made from the various evidences that made players believe the DSD awoke 50 years prior to the game (roughly).

We’ve known since before release that the ED awoke roughly 50 years apart, and there was a 100 year gap between Zhaitan and Kralkatorrik while the DSD’s placement was unclear except the Movement of the World’s mentioning them in a certain order. The DSD awoke in the center of that 100 year gap. And, as said, Angel McCoy indirectly confirmed such conclusions back around Battle for Lion’s Arch amongst her various forum posts.

But, then again, out of game stuff is “malleable.”

Leallax.1482:

The orbs seem to light up in the order the dragons awoke, except for Zhaitan/Mordremoth.

You mean, only Primordus and Kralkatorrik’s orbs shine in the placement they awoke (1st and 5th respectively). The order of orb shining is:

Red→Blue→White→Green→Purple→Black

Tying this to the CoE zone colors we get:

Primordus→DSD→Jormag→Mordremoth→Kralkatorrik→Zhaitan

However the order of dragon awakening was:

Primordus→Jormag→Zhaitan→DSD→Kralkatorrik→Mordremoth

Thus the color order should be, if representing awakening:

Red→White→Black→Blue→Purple→Green

So the orbs lighting up don’t represent order of awakening.

What if it’s strength instead, with strongest to weakest? Or order of intelligence? Or order of dominion size (biggest to smallest)? Or even order of age (oldest to youngest)? There’s a dozen possibilities…

And I am liking the strength level or age concepts…

Rata Pten predates Gadd and Eye of the North. It is said to predate the Cataclysm of Orr, which happened 6 years prior to Eye of the North and the (re)discovery of the Bloodstone Caves.

There’s quite a few flaws with this theory and I suggest looking at the various wiki articles on the subjects of your discussion – Bloodstone, Rata Pten, Realm of Torment – because most of the flaws are from a misunderstanding or lack of knowledge on what those things are/what their history is in lore.

It was an interview with Jeff, Ree, and Scott done by GuildMag, and is linked on this article – the NPC article seems to be out of date, as that’s speculation from before said interview.

The artifact was an Idol of Balthazar – there’s one involved with the charr gladium father storyline as well, though there you fight an Avatar of Balthazar rather than become.

Scarlet

• Ceara became Scarlet Briar after entering and exiting the machine – Fact. She was 16 or older when she became Scarlet Briar – Fact. She was Scarlet Briar when Thaumanova exploded – Fact. She was Scarlet Briar when she released the Steam Creatures into Lornar’s Pass – Fact. Thaumanova exploded and the Steam Creatures showed up in Lornar’s Pass before Zhaitan’s defeat, if not also before 1325 AE – Fact. This is all provided in the final instance of Gates of Maguuma via her holographic recordings.
• Scarlet was not in the fractal with us. She was there at the reactor’s explosion. This has been confirmed, and obvious with the Inquests’ dialogues. When we visited the Fractal, we were Inquest so the inhabitants thought of us as Inquests rather than invaders (this is the same with Urban Battlegrounds – this is why the charr/inquest are our allies). If she was talking to us – and not just to random outloud villian monologue-ing – then she saw us as Inquest. If she was there in person, she would have been changed into an asura like the players.

Dragon explosion

• You mean Edge of Destiny, not Sea of Sorrows. Basically, Kralkatorrik’s “blast of corruption” was nothing more than multiple passes over the area trying to corrupt Destiny’s Edge (and failing because plot protection). It wasn’t a single blast, but multiple passes no different than the rest of the Dragonbrand’s creation – which was an active decision to make minions while he hunted Glint down.
• Elder Dragons when asleep do no damage – even when merely stirring – directly. It’s done by a champion from the previous rise (Great Destroyer, Drakkar, etc.). Mordremoth thus far has no such case. Mordremoth may be unique by corrupting the Dream while asleep, but this is still theory. Primordus did damage only thanks to the existence of the Great Destroyer and did no damage in the 50-ish year gap between EotN and his actual awakening.

Links

• Dwayna is blue, not white. Jormag is ice, not life.
• Kralkatorrik is not chaos, aside from some mesmer-sharing animations there’s no real evidence of it. No, Chaos Crystal Cavern does not count because despite common belief, it is not akin to Branded crystals.
• Kormir is not water, she never was; she is knowledge, secrets, truth, order, and spirit. Lyssa took over water with Abaddon’s death. Furthermore, Kormir is either golden or white in her color schemes (more often golden/yellow though), and never blue.
• Even if you argue that this is what’s true in the beginning and Abaddon’s actions fuddled it, there was NEVER any “ice” and before Kormir there was never a “white god” – Abaddon was dark purple, Lyssa was (and is) light purple.
  • This is why the Dragon-to-God linking never works. It ONLY works for Balthazar/Primordus and Melandru/Mordremoth without some conudnrum.
• Furthermore, it should be noted that the Six Gods’ elemental ties appear to be fully by choice, and not what’s passed down. For example
  • Grenth was known as the prince of Ice and Sorrow before becoming a god; Dhuum had and has no ties to ice. Similar with Grenth being tied to Darkness, Justice, and Judgement – Dhuum was never those either.
  • Kormir never adopted water, she only adopted Knowledge (/Secrets/Truth) from Abaddon. Her ties to Order and Spirit are new and unique to her (though one can argue she borrowed them from Dwayna). Abaddon, on the other hand, was Knowledge, Wisdom, Water, and the Depths (as in ocean depths); he became Secrets after he himself was a secret.
• On the Black Orb: Possibility #3: his corruptive magic is being transfered to another

zerorogue.9410:

First let me thank you, Konig Des Todes. Your the first in the thread to give me a actual proper argument rather than saying “your wrong” or arguing with other conjecture.

Your thread piqued my interest. Which is more than what can be said for the others theories from the cinematic. But it also had a lot of flaws which really harmed it, so I felt the need to point those out and why they’re such, in hopes you improve your theory by explaining around them.

Magic

• Jormag is not life. More down below.
• I got the types of magic from multiple sources – aside from them being damage types of magical spells in GW1, we see “dark energy” and “light energy” mentioned by Scarlet Briar in the Prime Hologram fight (Prime was powered by light; Ultraviolet powered by dark). Chaos energy comes from Thaumanova & related. Dragon energy comes from the Thaumanova, CoE (story and exp) and SE (story). Elemental is just from elementalists not dealing with chaos, dark, or light. In GW1, the profession-to-magic-type was always Elementalist=Elemental; Necromancer=Dark (aka Unholy); Mesmer=Chaos; and Monk=Light (aka Holy).
• “I meant to say other dragon’s don’t corrupt other dragon minions.” This is also wrong (partially), as we can see in Crucible of Eternity. There are arguments that because it’s a lab it “doesn’t count” but there is zero implication for there to be no cross-dragon minion in the “wild”.

10,000 years ago

• We actually do not know that Scarlet was controlled by Mordremoth. It’s implied, and heavily suspected by the playerbase to the point where they accept it as fact, but it is in fact not proven.
• If channeling the ley lines to the Elder Dragon was the “traditional way” to wake up the Elder Dragons, then Drakkar would have done so instead of siphoning magic from the Sons of Svanir.
• The Six Gods returned magic to the races. They didn’t have magic because it was all in the Bloodstone or slowly leaking out of the Elder Dragons. During the previous rise, they had magic. But afterwards, they didn’t. Similarly, after the previous rise the ley lines would have been barren of magic since all magic in the world was either consumed or put into the Bloodstone. It is a cycle of repetition – magic is heavy in the world, dragons wake up and consume it and go back to sleep afterwards, where magic is non-existent in the world for a few centuries until it starts seeping out into the world from the Elder Dragons until it reaches that same heavy-in-the-world point again.

Our Dragon attack

• Per The Elder Dragons there were many Great Destroyers in the past – “Great Destroyer” seems to be a title for destroyer champions (much akin to “The Shatterer” and “Claw of Jormag” and “Eye of Zhaitan”). Only one’s known to have survived the previous dragon rise, however, to this point – and that’s the one that we fight in Eye of the North. The battle described in the Tome of Rubicon was during the previous dragon rise, as it was during that time that the Tome was written.
• We know that an Elder Dragon can wake by itself, as Kralkatorrik does. Glint was able to delay his rise, but pointed out that it was inevitable – if an Elder Dragon requires another, then it may be an eternal hunt if the required champion is reborn, but it would be possible to prevent its rise. The champions whom act as heralds (Drakkar, Great Destroyer, Glint) are merely a single champion that survived from the previous dragon rise and waits for the magic in the world to rise before hastening their dragon’s awakening – but they are not a requirement.
• Zhaitan’s rise was witnessed by Cobiah Marriner and it is shown ni Sea of Sorrows. It’s possible that The Maw or the risen Giganticus Lupicus (the latter confirmed to be from the previous rise, the former having had advanced activity just before his rise) acted as heralds, but there’s nothing conclusive on that.

-continued in next post-

It’s never explained what the anomaly is. Some folks like myself suspect it to be a lightning based djinn like those we saw in Nightfall due to its appearance and weapon.

There was a dev post during the voting of the two candidates that said that the Thaumanova fractal would show what happens when chaos magic meets the Mists and will produce interesting results. The anomaly may be said results.

Actually with the Claw of Jormag, there’s mention of multiple Claws pursuing the kodan Sanctuaries south at the same time, not just one at a time.

Technically speaking the prophecy did come to pass, as the prophecy was not about his return to Tyria, but just simply “his return” – and by bringing Nightfall about (his attempt to break free via merging Realm of Torment and Tyria) he fulfilled this. He is no longer forgotten, he became known to all, and he threatened the world. That was the prophecy. The prophecy was fulfilled, but Abaddon’s plan wasn’t. And technically, he did break free… right before dying.

zerorogue.9410:

For scarlet she is dead, or at least the corruption that created scarlet. ceara somehow survived. A multiple personality was hinted at many times throughout the story as a voice taking her over.

The voice was the entity, the one who was telling her – Scarlet Briar – to do things. Not a voice trying to stop her. By all indication, the voice was Mordremoth.

Ceara couldn’t have survived. We killed her. And resurrection does not exist anymore.

zerorogue.9410:

Nobody knows where Primordius is, and with how he operates (moving underground) it’s not a long stretch have a Primordius version of the brand underground.

True, but we know where he awoke – far away from Mount Maelstrom (he awoke underneath the barrier between Frostgorge and Fireheart Rise). He was also unknown to most Tyrians as the existence of Elder Dragons was generally unknown until Jormag. Only the dwarves, some asura (those who returned to the depths after the Great Destroyer’s demise) and the Order of Whispers – and select others, the specifics unknown to us players – knew of Primordus when it awoke.

zerorogue.9410:

You might want to check your map sometime for Jormag because where he awoke is one big lake now. Don’t you think a Giant Elder dragon of Ice would have frozen at least some of that?

Jormag awoke near the arctic sea. The creature that awoke beneath Drakkar Lake was merely his champion. There is no indication that Jormag is on the map presently – though it’s entirely possible. Jormag could have frozen that inland sea, btw, nothing says it’s fully liquid.

zerorogue.9410:

Bubbles is not even on the map. we have no idea what he’s doing or what happened when he awoke. Until we get some lore of bubbles he’s always going to be the mystery dragon.

But there is no indication of a cataclysm event. Such an event would have no doubt caused a tidal wave due to the shifting of water, which would have been about 50 years prior to GW2’s time – 50 years after Zhaitan’s rise.

zerorogue.9410:

For someone who does not control death, Zhaitan certainly had a lot of dead under his control.

He corrupts corpses. They’re undead, not dead. Many of his minions preach about immortality through undeath.

zerorogue.9410:

For Mordrem You can hug the Mordrem wolf first if you think it looks alive. To me it looks like a dead dog that’s been corrupted by plants.

It has a skull. That’s the only thing ‘dead’ about it. It looks more like a bunch of corrupted plants formed around a single skull and shaped itself around that. Look at the rest of the body, and you will see that the only bones involved is the skull.

zerorogue.9410:

Mordrem Wolf: http://i.imgur.com/4VDMJpl.jpg http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/6/69/Mordrem_Wolf.jpg In both picture’s it is clear the head is a skull. You can even see a spine and bones in the first.

I don’t see a spine or non-skull bones. But even if you’re right, it’s plant matter that formed around a corpse – just like how Jormag has been known to corrupt corpses on occasion. This does not mean Mordremoth has taken Zhaitan’s power.

Case in point: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/3/38/Icebrood_Colossus.jpg You can see a skull, spine, and other bones within the ice.

zerorogue.9410:

To sum up the key parts:
6 Types of magic(Fire,Life,Chaos,Nature,Water,Death)
6Elder Dragons balance magic by consuming magic of their type.
Ceara is still alive and helping us as “E”
The magic Zhaitan had is now lose and corrupting the mists.
Mordremoth is not awake yet but will soon with a massive explosion of nature magic.
Jormag’s minons are titans and they adapt to what area there in.

Types of magic we’re aware of are:

• Elemental
• Dark
• Light
• Chaos
• Dragon

The last one is really just “corruptive magic exuded by the Elder Dragons” while the above four are different forms and purposes of magic. This is just a general listing too, and not in depth where we can divide Elemental into four (Fire, Ice/Water, Earth, Air/Lightning), and include things like ether, arcane, etc.

Ceara is dead. There is no resurrection. We killed her. And sylvari have shown no indication of having a soul for resurrection anyways.

Why would Tyrian magic corrupt the Mists?

Mordremoth is very much awake. He’s just not as physically cataclysmic as the others when awakening (excluding Primordus). Kralkatorrik was akin to this too – he only made the Dragonbrand on his way to kill Glint, and was an active decision on his part unlike Zhaitan and Jormag (to all our knowledge).

Titans are tormented souls turned into demons of sorts. They hold no relation to any of the Elder Dragons. Jormag’s minions are all ice – we see icebrood in the Maguuma Jungle for crying out loud! That’s not adapting to their environment!

narwhalsbend.7059:

There aren’t “six types of magic”, there are four schools.

Types of magic and schools of magic are two different things, technically speaking.

zerorogue.9410:

magic “Schools” is an old classification for human magic. It says on the gw2 wiki “Over time, these schools came to be seen as limiting and unfashionable, and only the most ancient magic users still adhere to them.” Additionally the schools where only put into place since they knew of only four bloodstones at the time(they had no idea the fifth one even existed!). As to the bloodstone, it was split into five pieces instead of six was because abaddon did not want to seal the magic, he refused to seal his and the remaining gods dethroned him, and sealed it among the remaining pieces.

Downright wrong.

The schools were relevant by all indication – but due to the magic being more ambient in the world became less relevant over time.

Humanity ALWAYS knew of the keystone. There is no school associated with the fifth Bloodstone because it’s a keystone.

The number of Bloodstones is irrelevant to the number of gods!

zerorogue.9410:

Thinking on this I think i was off a bit. I don’t think Jormag is looting Abaddon’s locker for his minions, rather abaddon copied Jormag. Titans where poor copies that couldn’t keep their proper forms. Jormag’s minons keep their proper forms. this is still a weak part as it is theorizing on the fact that Jormag itself is not acting like an ice dragon.

Titans and icebrood are in every way, shape, and form completely different.

zerorogue.9410:

Glint is the black sheep of the dragon champion family her original task was to sabotage the races of Tyria and prepare the world for Kralkatorrik. However, when she peered into the minds of the races of tyria and decided to protect them against the dragons rather than help Kralkatorrik.

Not entirely right. She was given free will by the Forgotten’s ritual, and this combined with reading their minds made her betray Kralkatorrik. Still, Kralkatorrik awoke without a known champion waking him.

zerorogue.9410:

My theory is that there are an endless amount of dragon champions (grown, regenerate, or something else) If one is killed another rises soon after.

Not really endless, but there can be multiple champions at a single time. But they must be created by the Elder Dragon first, and this can only be done while awake (Elder Dragons do not corrupt personally while asleep). This is no theory, it is fact. It is also fact that Glint spent the past several thousand years preparing to fight Kralkatorrik’s inevitable return.

zerorogue.9410:

Once the other dragon’s began to stir, another champion of Kralkatorrik awoke and woke him up instead. Once Kralkatorrik found out what glint had done he rushed south to destroy her.

There is no indication of another champion of Kralkatorrik from the previous dragonrise beyond Glint. There could not be a new one made after Glint was freed unless there was already a second champion. This is how dragon corruption works as presented to us. The only means of corruption while an Elder Dragon sleeps is via a champion.

zerorogue.9410:

First. Scarlet is dead, but Ceara is still alive. In the Battle for Lion’s Arch cutscene you can see strange veins on scarlet’s face this is her body regenerating. After we escape she awakes free of scarlet.

We killed the body. Resurrection is a magic that no longer exists in the world. Scarlet and Ceara – even if different personalities – is long gone. Also, sylvari are known for fast body deterioration after death (GoA p261: “Despite the rain falling on her figure freely now, her skin was already starting to turn black around the edges, like petals of a plucked flower.”) – this happened only a few moments after her death. The yellow veins could have been akin to this.

And there’s no evidence of a split personality.

zerorogue.9410:

When elder dragons awake, they unleash an explosion of magical energy.
Primordus created a volcano.
Jormag melted the northern shiverpeaks.
bubbles did something to cause quaggans and krait to escape the oceans.
Kralkatorrik corrupted a large line of the map before exploding the magic at glint’s lair.
Zhaitan rose orr.

This means Mordremoth has not yet awoken and a large cataclysm is very near that will signify the dragon’s awakening.

Primordus did not create Mount Maelstrom until decades after waking – if Sea of Sorrows is any indication, nearly a century after. Jormag did not melt the Shiverpeaks, he shattered them. The DSD’s rise has shown no indications of cataclysm. Kralkatorrik did not “explode magic” at Glint’s lair – and unlike Jormag and Zhaitan (by all indication), his cataclysm was actively decided. And Mordremoth is awake – all those large untargetable vines are stated by Taimi to be Mordremoth itself.

zerorogue.9410:

Mordremoth and Tequalt have taken a part of the magic to increase their own power. This is why Mordremoth’s minions look undead like. Without a elder dragon the dark green magic will continue to corrupt everything.

Mordremoth’s minions don’t look undead like at all. A skull does not make undead!

zerorogue.9410:

The orbs and Celestial space
in the new cutscene we see orbs surrounding a center orb. This is the universe of tyria as seen from “celestial space”. This is why it looks so similar to the map in gw1 of the realm of torment as the map we saw showed the celestial space of the realm as it did not have enough physical space to warrant a standard map. The orbs around the outside are the containers of the 6 magic’s (the elder dragons).

The map of the Realm of Torment is an alchemy circle-design which is always used in mapping the Mists from a lore viewpoint.

zerorogue.9410:

They in turn are taken care of by one of the six gods.
white orb = Dwayna = Jormag
red orb = Balthazar = Primordus
light green orb = Melandru = Mordremoth
purple orb = Lyssa = Kralkatorrik
dark green orb = Grenth = Zhaitan
blue orb= Kormir = bubbles

This relation doesn’t work. Why?

Nothing relates Dwayna and Jormag.
Nothing relates Kormir and the DSD.
Nothing relates Lyssa and Kralkatorrik.

zerorogue.9410:

The irregular one in the list is the white orb. Why is the god of warmth watching over the magic of cold? A bigger question is why did the awakening of Jormag cause the shiverpeaks to melt? This is because Jormag’s minions are beings of life. They are giving life to what’s around them (they are the titans from gw1!) We have only seen them in the shiverpeaks so we only see them as ice. if Jormag minions would move into another area they would change to match that area. The Sons of Svanir know nothing of this and think Jormag is just an ice dragon as snow is the only thing it has available to it.

Again, this fails because Jormag didn’t melt ice. He shattered mountains.

/prepares to rip this theory a new one.

zerorogue.9410:

There are 6 types of magic, this magic must be in balance otherwise everything becomes unwound.
There is a system to maintain magic on tyria so it does not go out of balance.
the gods are the caretakers of the 6 kinds of magics.
If the magic ever becomes too out of balance the elder dragons awake to rebalance it by consuming all magic of their type, go to sleep, and slowly re-releasing it. This is why dragon’s don’t attack other dragon minions, because they are not their type.

• What would be the six ‘types of magic’ exactly? The orbs are outright stated to be tied to the dragons and the dragons function the same but with different elements (something tied to nature, not magic).
• The Six Gods are not native to Tyria, why would they be tied to the magic types of Tyria?
• The Six Gods’ ‘magic’ and the Elder Dragons ‘magic’ do not line up perfectly.
• Actually, dragon minions do attack each other should they cross each others’ paths – or so we’ve been told in interviews by Ree Soesbee and Jeff Grubb; we just don’t see this in-game (and nothing in-game counteracts this… yet).

zerorogue.9410:

in the previous dragon attack 10,000 years ago:
-gods take care of Tyria
-a magic unbalance is detected causing one of their champions to rise.
-gods disappear as their dragons wake.
-the champion finds a ley line hub that intersects with their elder dragon.
-the elder dragon is awoken by their champion.
-dragons absorb all magic on Tyria
-once all magic is absorbed the dragons fall to sleep and begin -slowly releasing the magic they consumed.
-gods return.

• The Six Gods first appeared in the world after the previous dragon rise, from another world.
• Drakkar, the champion who woke Jormag, did not feed off of a ley line but off of the Sons of Svanir’s magic. The Great Destroyer is the only other champion to wake an Elder Dragon (excluding the debatable case of Scarlet Briar), and similarly no known case of feeding Primordus ley line magic since the Great Destroyer was at Primordus itself.

zerorogue.9410:

our dragon attack:
-gods take care of tyria
-Dhuum is defeated by Grenth and a small amount of green magic is released.
-the magic unbalance is detected causing one of their champions to rise.(The first great destroyer)
-great dwarf defeats great destroyer.
-gods balances out the magic before another champion awakes.
-Abaddon refused to keep the balance and the other gods stopped him.
-Abaddon takes revenge on gods for trapping him.(nightfall)
-the other gods choose Kormir to be the next god.
-Kormir takes over for Abaddon
-Kormir tries to reverse the damage but too much magic has been released.
-the gods disappear.
-Second Great destroyer awakes and is defeated(EOTN)
-a third great destroyer awakes and succeeds in awakening Primordus.
-remaining elder dragons awake
-Zhaitan is killed and releases his magic causing a great unbalance.
-Ceara uses Omadds machine.
-Ceara saw that the death of Zhaitan has caused a great disturbance in the balance.
-Mordremoth spots her in the mists and corrupts her into scarlet.
-Ceara became two personalities Scarlet and Ceara. Scarlet being dominant.
-Ceara tries to stop Scarlet, she succeeds in causing some chaos in her plans, but each time scarlet just tries again.
-She instead sends a letter to the hero of the pact under the name of “E” to warn him/her of what she’s going to do.
-scarlet becomes Mordremoth’s champion and awakes the elder dragon.

• The Great Dwarf/Great Destroyer battle was during the previous rise. This is confirmed fact.
• The “green” orb was Mordremoth. By the Dragon/God correlation argument, that’d be Melandru. Grenth/Dhuum would be Black by the theory and color allignment of the EDs.
• The Gods did not balance magic before Abaddon’s situation – they released magic from the Bloodstone, and Abaddon released more than the rest causing wars between the races. These wars is what brought about King Doric’s plea and the splitting of the Bloodstone into 5.
• Magic had been releasing slowly for 1,000 years by the time of Kormir’s ascension. Nightfall did not introduce new magic to all our knowledge but threatened to merge Tyria and the Realm of Torment.
• There is no mention of a “third” Great Destroyer awakening – given that the rise of Primordus had been highlighted, I think such would have been mentioned.
• Ceara used Omadd’s machine before Zhaitan’s fall – she was Scarlet Briar before the Thaumanova Reactor’s explosion, and this happened before any content we played.
• We received a letter from E after Scarlet/Ceara’s death. This disproves the idea that Ceara is E.

Lieutenants and champions are terms used interchangeably for dragon minion rankings. The Shatterer is also called a lieutenant, for example.

It is also possible to have multiple champions at a single time.

webtoehobbit.4201:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Humanity gets looked over even in their greatest nation (Orr) where they could have had the biggest lore impact

Well, the playerbase obviously doesn’t want Humanity lore, I mean look at the Kiel/Evon debacle, players chose Asura lore over Human lore. The playerbase has spoken and ANet has run with it. Thanks a lot Kiel supporters….. grumble grumble

And yet… they chose the human candidate over the non-human candidate.

And humans are the most common race of player characters.

Hmmm, you sure the playerbase doesn’t want human lore?

The theory falls apart on one very simple and very important fact:

The Pale Tree is only 250 years old.

The Elder Dragons are 20,000+ years old.

How can the Pale Tree be the leader of the Elder Dragons, exactly? Especially when the Pale Tree is actively trying to eliminate the Elder Dragons.

A better thought is that the Pale Tree is the champion of whatever that golden center orb represents (I don’t think it represents the Pale Tree), and the Elder Dragons and said golden center are enemies. This doesn’t necessarily mean the enemy of my enemy is my friend, however…

But ArenaNet has stated in the past – for all good their statements are anymore – that they want the PCs to be “the heroes”. So they’re not going to villianize the sylvari race on a whole.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

The Eternal Alchemy cinematic shows us something very interesting. First of all we see the Pale Tree, who forms the heart of it all, and could just as is easily stand for Tyria (the world). Next we see various colors of magic, dormant. This seems to confirm that the Elder Dragons are indeed forces of nature, and part of the magical balance. Next we see them awaken one by one, in the order that they woke up. But here we see something very odd. This can’t be a goof up on the part of the writers:

The colors start moving in this order:
Red, blue, white, green, purple, black.

However, the dragons woke up in the order:
Primordus, Jormag, Zhaitan, Bubbles, Kralkatorrik, Mordremoth.

It’s especially odd that we see green moving as the fourth, since we know Mordremoth was the last to wake up. Besides, Jormag woke up before Bubbles. So if Jormag is white, and Bubbles is blue, that means they are switched around. Something to consider, is that maybe the dragons started stirring in their sleep much earlier, and perhaps this is what we are being shown. It’s all rather confusing.

The cinematic ends with Mordremoth attacking the Pale Tree / Tyria. This could imply that Mordremoth is the first Elder Dragon to actively attack us. Maybe the other Elder Dragons were just getting settled in, and their real attack is yet to begin.

I don’t think the thing in the center is the Pale Tree or Tyria.

I think it’s the Dream.

The Dream is said to be made of ether and memories, and seems to be very magical and tied to locations of magic. Vorpp suspected that Scarlet’s vision was tied to the Dream as well – though the vision certainly didn’t break any barrier that prevented corruption given that our sylvari PCs would be getting corrupted if so. I think the vision was showing Mordremoth actively attacking the Dream, and the Dream is somehow tied to the life of Tyria itself – I suspect that the rotating rings are meant to be the ley lines/flow of magic.

As to the orb awakening – I noticed that too and found it interesting; it isn’t a mere case of the DSD and Jormag being switched though – Black (Zhaitan per Infinite Coil Reactor) was the last orb to move, and he was third to awaken. If the orbs moving relates to the ED waking, then their color ties would be:
Red-Primordus
Blue-Jormag
White-Zhaitan
Green-DSD
Purple-Kralkatorrik
Black-Mordremoth

Which would then mean that the DSD went into the center… but that seems unlikely since this plot focuses on Mordremoth. So the orbs don’t represent the order of awakening.

Gorgaan Peaudesang.8324:

Is there any evidence of DSD awakening (i.e in-game source) ?

Not directly. As an in-game source, the best we really have is this guy as the most definitive. There are other implications throughout surrounding the southern quaggan and largos, and we have out of game sources that mention the karka having fled from something that allowed them to recognize dragon minions in Orr, as well as the krait having fled from their homes (deepest trenches of the ocean) in the estimated time of the DSD’s awakening and The Movement (the most explanatory source for DSD lore, how little it is) explaining the DSD awoke in the sea’s deepest parts.

And there was a post by Angel pointing to the DSD’s page as an explanation for why the krait have finally lost a battle (which the krait blog post said otherwise – in other words Angel was pointing out that the blog post was written from a pre-DSD rise viewpoint).

I just “love” how ArenaNet dismissed the gods’ actions because it was too human centric and they wanted to make it less human centric (despite the fact they could have kept the gods’ actions unchanged but give the other races’ views and interpretations to it).

And then they go and make the Pale Tree the center of all things – or at least the entryway into the meaning of the Elder Dragons’ existence, by all appearances.

Yeah, we’re not human centric. We’re sylvari centric!

With a side of asuran centric.

Humanity gets looked over even in their greatest nation (Orr) where they could have had the biggest lore impact, in favor of sylvari stuff primarily (with a side of asura and charr). And now we’re going all sylvari again (with a side of human and asura).

Where’s my norn focus? Charr focus? Human focus?

So much for being multi-racial in storytelling, am I right? :/

And as a side rant: The funniest thing to me, though, is how they introduced ley lines as being so uncommon and unknown… but yet they exist wherever waypoints are. Wow, they already went and reduced the importance of their new lore just like they did their old lore.

Really… sigh.

I took this line as saying that at first it was an alliance that benefited the Kournans more, but over time they became more ruthless until the point of blatant slavery.

Basically that under the premise of an alliance and working together, the centaurs “accepted” slavery.

I don’t see this as contradicting GW1 lore, just not telling the full story – only the bit of the story we never heard in GW1.

Honestly, Mordremoth’s name coming out of thin air is far more annoying to me than this line.

I actually prefer the idea that my character’s mind is stronger than that of Scarlet’s. Similar to Mass Effect 1 where you see the Prothean Beacon vision, people keep saying that the images would break weaker minds – but not Shepard, the main protagonist. Well, kind of a similar situation really. Scarlet’s mind was broken – mine was not. I’m awesome, she’s dead.

Plus, if the vision opened way for Mordremoth’s corruption, then with the standing theory, only sylvari PCs should start going looney. But honestly, I don’t see it happening anyways. It will likely be akin to Shepard, and I’m fine with that. Because it proves that I’m better than that storyline wreckage of Scarlet Briar.

Dry Top utilizes textures and animations that don’t exist elsewhere in the game – both permanently and in total. You have sandstorms, new models, aspect skills, the new arid-like terrain, etc.

It would actually make perfect sense for it to be a hardware issue because of this.

Genlog.4983:

Scarlet might not be dead

if any play the sylvari mode you need to kill caithe

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpN3LryvcUo

but she can’t be killt even if you kill her

so maby its the same with scarlet who nows ??

thats all i can think off atm

sorry for my english

You pretend to kill Caithe. At that personal story step, you’re an inexperienced novice and she’s an elite thief. She fakes her death. It’s a plot point in that storyline.

ThiBash.5634:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

ThiBash.5634:

-The fact that there’s been talk about mind and magic linking in some way. Her death could have been intentional to somehow link with the leylines or (even worse) the dragon.

This would mean that Snaff is still “alive” inside Kralkatorrik’s brain if such a thing were possible.

Snaff controlled the dragon’s mind, briefly, and was still physical. There was no mega chunk of magical energy involved.

Scarlet died on the biggest leyline intersection in the world, and something directly linked to the dragon. The movie showed energy going through her body too.

There’s even a book in the new release that suggests ghosts are some form of energy residue. They’re setting her up to attack the Pale Tree in the form of the dragon. I just know it.

1. Snaff’s entire mind was inside Kralkatorrik’s mind, and there was a mega chunk of magical energy involved: Kralkatorrik and his blood that served as powerstones.
2. A major intersection, not biggest. And in continental Tyria, not Tyria the world.
3. By all evidences, sylvari have neither souls nor ghosts. We never see such at least, despite the huge amount of sylvari deaths – even the sylvari don’t know what happens to them when they die, as one can hear in ambient dialogue in the Grove near the cultural armor traders. And the implications that ghosts are energy has been around since GW1, tbh.

Tamias.7059:

Okay, well, this is a little strange but that editor is me. On the wiki I go by Santax (my GW1 character name, since I’ve been editing since way back in 2007). The incident you’re referring to is this one, and for obvious reasons I don’t really want to comment on it further except to say that the version of events that you have heard is misrepresentative, and to direct you to the discussion on the conflict when it arose again, and its conclusion (1) (2) (3) (4).

And FWIW, although permanently blocked from editing GWW, Konig’s 3-month block has now expired on GW2W and he has chosen to resume active editing.

You and I hold different views on how things went down, it seems. And this is to be expected, TBH.

And TBH, I only edit still out of sheer boredom, really. And for a project I’m working on that benefits from fully documented dialogues on the wiki. That bluster with you and the admins honestly killed all my desire to be active on the wiki. If not for the project, I probably wouldn’t even edit out of sheer boredom either. (and you’d note I’m not nearly as active as I once was – nor will I be). And for pretty much the reasons Sytherek said. I know I’m not blameless but the arguments felt overly trivial to me. Hence that last comment of mine on GWW that you linked.

http://guildmag.com/magazine/issue9/interview.htm

Primordus can indeed corrupt living beings.

Similarly, Jormag and Kralkatorrik create minions out of the landscape too (Dragonspawn and Claw of Jormag seems to be made out of ice and bone and mist; The Shatterer and the GoA crystal giant seems made out of the Dragonbrand itself).

@Tanith: That’s just the Tyrian view of the Elder Dragons – that they’re forces of nature, mindless and uncaring in their destruction. Doesn’t make it true – in fact, given what we’ve seen stated and shown through the dragon minions’ actions and words, the Elder Dragons are actively working to rule Tyria. Especially with Edge of Destiny showing us the thought processes of Kralkatorrik – which can be dumbed down to “wants to obtain everything, and anything he cannot obtain he will destroy.”

And for a “corrupted wolf/hound” – the only thing I recall datamined is an alternative Fern Hound model which is more blue-green rather than yellow-green.

Caithe’s reaction during A Light in the Darkness (the vision of Orr) was what would have been the outcome if the PC was not around in Twilight Arbor to keep her hopes up after both Rytlock and Logan abandoned her in the dungeon.

Through the earlier personal story she’s on the brink – she lost her lover and her dearest friends. It’s hinted throughout the level 1-30 sylvari PS steps that she’s been holding in her pain and frustration to show no emotions to her enemies – and even allies – even if the situation hits close to home for her (e.g., the Shield of the Moon storyline with Tiachern and Ysvelta).

She regains herself over the coarse of the story mode dungeons, however, but still holds some secrets – one of which Scarlet apparently knew about (or acted like she did).

If using the old Lawful/Neutral/Chaotic Good/Neutral/Evil chart, I’d probably put Caithe at Lawful Neutral that’s struggling to stay out of Chaotic Neutral – she gives no remorse to her enemies, but always abides by her people’s views and is constantly put into situations in which she’d want to break said views.

She said cycle, not season.

Personally, I’m getting increasingly tired with the abstract loading screens. Why did ArenaNet switch the current loading screen for this one which was way better? No offense to Theo Prins but I’m growing tired of his works for the loading screens. Those abstract pieces are nice for concept art, but as loading screens they hurt my eyes (literally) due to the abstractness and because they’re used as the more permanent loading screens (I think it’s split 50/50 for which ones are his and which ones aren’t for new loading screens since Shadow of the Mad King).

I much prefer Naomi Baker and her artwork. Because hot kitten that’s awesome stuff. She gives Kekai a run for his money in quality of epicness.

The furthest north they’ve ever been in cold areas is Lornar’s Pass. The furthest north they’ve ever been in not-cold areas is Gendarran Fields and Queensdale- and that is very, very minor in numbers. They’ve never been very far north.

We don’t know.

Blood Legion also has land east of the Blazeridge (it is where their citadel, the Blood Citadel, is). My guess on Ash is NE. No support for such, really, except the lack of mention. I view charr lands like a giant square(ish shape). In the center and going in a line south with an edge somewhat west at the north and south tips (making a slight ] shape) is the Blazeridge Mountains. SW sector is Ascalon (Iron), NW is Blood, SE is Blood, and NE is Ash.

Interesting. The “possible end routes” make me wonder if there’s some vines around Thaumanova – since the three places are tied to there.

Kalavier.1097:

Actually, no. His mind isn’t implied to have changed at all. He’s the last dwarf (that we know of) who is sane, and isn’t part of the ‘great dwarf’ hive mind or whatnot driven to one focus, fighting destroyers.

All dwarves who turned to stone has had their minds altered just like their flesh and blood was. Ogden said he stayed behind in order to direct the surface races in fighting the Elder Dragons.

In short, he’s doing what he’s compelled to do – fight the Elder Dragons – but in a different way than the standard Killroy Stonekin style stuff.

EdwinLi.1284:

Do not forget the Elder Dragons are currently known to be the oldest beings in GW2 world.

The Jade Sea may have once been a part of the Unending Ocean long ago before any recorded history.

Everytime the Elder Dragons awaken they will historically change the landscape of the planet but so far only 2 recorded awakenings are known in GW history but records of findings have shown the Elder Dragons have awakened other times beyond the 2 known awakenings which explains any geological changes and placements of anything related to the Elder Dragons.

the 1st recorded awakening was before the Human Gods entered Tyria and the 2nd awakening is currently the one we are facing now in GW2.

If Kanaxai is related to the Deep Sea Dragon it is possible Kanaxai’s existence predates the recorded awakenings which may lead the storyline into discovering more about the Elder Dragon’s other awakenings, discovering even more ancient history about the world, and going even deeper into their Elder Dragon’s Origins.

Interesting theory but there’s really little to suggest a tie between the demon Kanaxai and the deep sea dragon – especially since the water between Cantha and Tyria/Elona is known to not be the deepest there is (there’s mention of coral reefs between Cantha and Elona, and just west of that would be the Battle Isles) so where the DSD woke would be either east or west of the standard passage between Cantha and Tyria/Elona as we’re told it awoke in the deepest part of the sea and that it drove the krait – who lived in the deepest parts of the Unending Ocean – out of their homeland (into quaggan territory).

Aside from oni having tentacle faces there’s no ties between what little we know of the DSD and Kanaxai. It’s not impossible for a connection, but it’s not very likely.

EdwinLi.1284:

1) Kralkatorrik is still in the Crystal Desert

We actually don’t know where Kralkatorrik is. The last place was saw him was near the Dragon’s Lair (where the Dragonbrand ends) but he flew off in some unknown direction after fighting Destiny’s Edge and hasn’t been seen or heard from since.

For all we know, he went through the portal in Tombs of the Primeval Kings and isn’t even in this world any longer.

nexxe.7081:

Even worse, Trahearne might come back. The new trailer shows the Pact getting attacked in Timberline Falls.

Technically speaking, Fort Concordia was never used for Pact actions – it was one of two bases for an alliance between Vigil and Priory before the Pact’s creation, and was used for the first Pact meeting, but even though dialogues change after Forging the Pact instance, there’s no indication that Concordia is used by the Pact.

ThiBash.5634:

-The fact that there’s been talk about mind and magic linking in some way. Her death could have been intentional to somehow link with the leylines or (even worse) the dragon.

This would mean that Snaff is still “alive” inside Kralkatorrik’s brain if such a thing were possible.

Which by all indications, it isn’t. The book that talks about that is more in regards to things like mental control as Snaff shows done in Edge of Destiny – as well as the asura personal story for Dynamics.

ThiBash.5634:

-The device she designed was actually built. Those vines could be controlled by something…maybe she even intended to take over control of other Sylvari through influencing the dream.

Doesn’t mean she can return just because some device of unknown intention was built.

poikapureda.7123:

Scott McGough.6897:

The effect Taimi’s degenerative condition has on her varies. Like a lot of people with chronic pain, she has good days (when she can get around relatively easily) and bad days (when she can’t). The worse her pain is on a given day/time, the worse her limp. As she stated in the Festival of the Four Winds:

PC: How are you feeling?
Taimi: Thank you for asking. My legs are good today discomfortwise, but I can’t get complacent: my mobility is capricious, changing from one hour to the next. Luckily, Scruffy is always standing by.

Hope this helps,

As a person who requires a cane to move around, i can relate a lot to this. Some days i can limp around on my disabled leg and other days i can’t move at all. I see Scruffy as Taimi’s cane, just cooler… and can destroy her enemies…

I wish my cane could do that…

Here you go. :P

cheshirefox.7026:

Jackums.3496:

Deli.1302:

Yea, coz this armor is totally too skimpy………….
Yet another complain thread for the sake of complaining

Yes, because one set of armor = all sets of armor.
Yet another misinformed, redundant argument to a justified issue.

how do you downvote a post >_>
Anyway, a cosplayer actually replicated the armor used for the opening posters main argument.. not only does it look intimidating, but it’s not skimpy enough to deter an Actual human female from wearing it {and looking absolutely awesome by the way}
As a few posters have already stated, if you play the game for 15 seconds you’ll find that there is an equal amount, if not greater, of bulky non-revealing armor.. and this is across all classes and gender

Doesn’t look intimidating to me in the least. If I were fighting someone in that, I immediately see so many weakpoints. One good slash or arrow at either thigh which are fully revealed, or at her abdnomen which has plenty of showings as well, and she’ll bleed out.

There is a point to be made about armor that reveals skin – in one way it intimidates with the sense of “I don’t need protection!” but this usually works best with lumbering figures – of which, due to the design of female characters in GW2, just about none are (even female norn) – and in another way it would draw the enemy to trying to strike that exposed area, allowing you to better predict where they’ll try to strike, but most armor sets don’t work for that either due to so much skin being exposed you cannot properly predict from that.

I, for one, overall don’t mind skimpy armor. However, some just get silly especially when talking about the armor sets of GW2, the designers talked about balancing “just enough skin with just enough armor”.

ThiBash.5634:

Then again, given that Anet had the guts to add three lesbian couple*s* to the game, I’m still waiting for them to have the guts to openly sexualize a male character by giving them skimpy outfits.

Fixed for you. There’s Caithe/Faolain, Faolain/Sariel, and Kasmeer/Marjory.

This excludes the non-highlighted ones, of which we can see quite a few from sylvari (there’s one talking about her female lover parting ways in the northern end of the Grove, as one wants to explore (herself) while the other doesn’t (her lover)).

And yeah, I honestly don’t get why there aren’t such for males. Particularly amongst the norn cultural armor. It’s a lore plot point for them to be lacking in armor when going into battle – so why is heavy T3 male armor covering them from head to toe with no skin, while heavy T3 female gives plenty of skin and even shows her underwear?

I think this is an error since afaik that’s the only mention of such. Krait are reptilian so I don’t think they’d be able to survive in frigid waters and there’s no presence of krait up north in-game.

There was a second sylvari amongst the Zephyrites. This sylvari was generically named with a generic model. But we have not heard anything about him…

Suspicious? Perhaps, perhaps.

EdwinLi.1284:

Don’t forget a injured Zephyrite in the medical tent explained the events that lead to Aerin going mad being that the Master of Peace performed a ritual on Aerin which resulted in him going insane and releasing something that “the Masters could not contain”.

The only rituals mentioned in those dialogues – according to what I’ve seen and what’s on the wiki – is in a discussion between two Seraph, and are referring to burial ritual (without explicitly saying such).

The one about the Masters unable to contain is thus:
Seraph Medic: “You’re fortunate to still be with us.”
Zephyrite: (scream) “No!”
Seraph Medic: “Please try to relax. There was a crash, you—”
Zephyrite: “Can’t believe he did this. We took him in. Was one of us…”
Seraph Medic: “Did you see something? Can you describe him?”
Zephyrite: “Wild, raving… Masters…couldn’t contain… There, in the…” (moan)
Seraph Medic: “Sir?”

No mention of a ritual.