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T7 WERE COMING FOR YOU

ALL OF US
ALL AT ONCE

because you want to abuse the arc of the bolt to get extra range on a siege weapon designed to only shoot so far.

hey guys lets shoot garr trebs from bay walls because i figured out the right angle to shoot!
great idea.

sostronk.8167:

Ive seen players (not just pugs) empty a fully upgraded SMs supply into one (outer) wall whilst constantly being asked politely and eventually not so politely not to do so, so I completely agree.

theyd do it whether the wxp was there or not

Ynot.8397:

atomicjellybean.5389:

TallDan.6350:

Xom.9264:

osif.8673:

@BS Mesmer

Was only so long until that 1v1 would get interrupted haha. Good fight none the less, looking forward to running into your small man group this week.

Also ran into a small BS(basic) group, it was good fun they had a Mes, Warrior, and Necro. Changed to a Thief, Warrior, Mes after we got them the first time.

I was the human necro with the char warrior, good fights Mes you are the first Mesmer I have seen worth anything in WvW ever. (but dont terrain exploit you’re better then that).

ET has some solid players, got my best 1 v 1s against ET people. FG people seem to just zerg and are really really really really bad in small scale actually won 1 v 2 and 1 v 3s against them multiple times with a poorly geared necro, makes me want to invest in gear and play WvW instead of just Tpvp, see if I can 1 v4 or 1 v 5 some FG folks.

Cheers

Fight club is thursday night by the green BL windmill. Looks like you have laid down a challenge to FC’s champions, will you be there and let your weapons do the talking?

Plus after your opening night numbers and the big zergs we saw in our BL, I thought HoD were like SF (I had terrible flashbacks), so glad that I was wrong as the weekend panned out, such a close match-up and so glad of the good battles.

Welcome to the best tier in WvW (please don’t tell anybodys so we can keep it to ourselves).

Is fight club still happening?

YOU BROKE THE ONLY kittenING RULE!

these people i kittening swear kitten

disagree.

if you cant get people to listen to you about reserving supplies… well maybe you need to act like a more respectable person. or kitten at them thru multiple chat channels.

1 wxp isnt a large enough incentive to tempt people to mindlessly sabotage their own objectives.

coming from a tier thats abandoned in comparison to you, the 30 second delay is really terrible.

to me, the most annoying thing is that camps can be flipped within 30 seconds by duos or bigger. solo, the x only appears after its almost too late to defend.

shucks
sounds like you chose poorly in your transfer

sorry you wasted gems broski

it does and its stupid

theres no kittening point to scouting a camp, they can be taken within 30 seconds

Caliban.3176:

robocafaz.9017:

They were going to do this like 4 months ago and the community through a complete kitten-fit over it.

Not everyone, I know SFR was counting on it.

FC and ET were counting on it. but that was because of the gaps in rating, which have now been bandaid’ed. we were bored of blowouts with no end in sight cuz SF couldnt kitten us hard enough to gtfo, but could stomp both of us into the curb effortlessly.

without a real reason like that, theres no point to resetting just cuz some noobs are bored in their current matchup and wanna stomp some less populous servers.

Kay.5416:

I’m honestly getting a bit concerned about ET here. It’s like the air just went out of you. You guys ok? What happened with all the “rawr we will break out of T8 and follow SF” stuff?
sends care package via dolyak express

agg left honey

superior siege didnt have timers

this is a strange nerf to super siege, especially when it costs skill points and a lot of extra badges / gold / jp runs

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Edit – Please note that good players are able to counter Thieves, even when you can’t see them. Higher tiered servers have skilled players, so you can always ask them for tips. Low tiered servers are mainly zerg balls vs zerg balls with no strategy.

oh. just trollin. wheres my block option.

TallDan.6350:

Saying egi’s are no good in large groups is rubbish. We apply conditions to groups and have you ever used a flamethrower? I run down the sides of zergs causing massive aoe damage and setting you all on fire while adding bleeds and weakness and that is just from the auto attack, engi’s also have tons of ways to make combo fields, and if I get into trouble in my forward position I can shrink and get back to safety you can’t CC me if my 3 second invulnerability isn’t enough to get me to safety and you get me down to 25% health a trait gives me another 3 seconds of invulnerability. I also have 3 different aoe group cleanse abilities on my bar and can apply that cure conditions and give boons to allies. I don’t run nades or bombs but I have seen tank bomber engi’s vids where they cause a massive amount of aoe damage, If you haven’t played a class maybe you should stop speculating about what it can or can’t do.

The reason I love engi so much is that it has such good all round abilities, it’s not stuck in a role half as much as many other classes and is amazing at tower defence, solo roaming, small groups and large zergs.

i play engi almost exclusively

were no good in large groups. were great in small groups or solo.

i… got bored while reading this :/

Thobek.1730:

I don’t get it, retaliation is capped at ~400 damage (if you have a 3000 power guardian). Its only really effective against low damage/high frequency attacks. Thieves heartseeker, backstabs hit for 3000k+ for a trade of ~400 damage. Retaliation also only stack in duration NOT intensity.

not worth the nerf imo.

What they need to do is change the equation that it works off ‘damage received’ not a base damage calculated off power.

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OMG just listening to that ‘State of the game’ – lets make thieves OP.

“we want thieves to have the highest burst”
“we want thieves to have the highest mobility”
“we are allowing thieves to steal complete stack buffs and durations off enemies and share to their group”

They seem to be worried that if a thief doesn’t burst down an enemy they become useless so they want to give them more things to do.

I’m not happy with this direction.

try throwing grenades at a zergball
i dare you

ghtchill.7613:

insanemaniac.2456:

engi and ranger are bad in large scale open field fights.

where are the majority of players in wvw?
in a kittening zergball, fighting in a kitten field.

theyre great roamers. each can be specced to be siegekillers. just dont stick around a zerg too long or youll feel useless.

This is also not true. I can’t speak for Engineers, but experienced Rangers are not bad in open field either.

it pretty much is true. if you want cc, roll a guardian or warrior. if you want fields, roll an ele. if you want to pwn baddies, roll mesmer. if you want to tag everything, roll necro. engi and ranger “arent bad”, but 5 other classes have builds that all excel in open field in comparison. dont roll ranger or engi if you just wanna zerg around. roll something better suited.

engi and ranger are bad in large scale open field fights.

where are the majority of players in wvw?
in a kittening zergball, fighting in a kitten field.

theyre great roamers. each can be specced to be siegekillers. just dont stick around a zerg too long or youll feel useless.

NowThere.3814:

I’d like to thank the GWTD guys for some fun matches this weekend. Looking forward to fighting you guys throughout the week.

a shoutout :O

gav enjoyed the duel too! i was impressed he could draw you, i really hadnt seen his ranger in (roaming) action and have only read about regen rangers in passing.

Kay.5416:

Also, we need an avatar/representation for HoD. Hm. Hard to match GoM’s Gollum/aliens dude, but their name was easy. Hedge of Denravi/Hod is trickier. Hodor? http://i.imgur.com/1w8dY.jpg
Not as funny, but he’s got Hod in the name & might be easier to find screenshots: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Hodgins_

hod goblins
obvious celeb match: willem dafoe, bad mothakittena

fragnstein.3486:

Last time I was a bronze invader, I got slapped

why use such a shoddy metal for your mojo

id slap you too

morrolan.9608:

Suizen.5614:

So in the SToG it was said that treb shots are going to no longer be blocked by Sanc/SW ect. I will cut right to the chase, this being removed is terrible for the game. Why? because it takes away counterplay in WvW and makes it harder to defend/attack certain objectives in the game.

It also makes it impossible to defend against the exploit trebs used at Borderland Garrisons, and only possible to go and wipe them out which is very diffcult to accomplish.

This, its ridiculous, put the treb in the right spot and its impossible to get it and they have a free shot at bay, something which can’t be done on Hills.

A question, was it always intended that a treb in garrison could reach bay with impunity?

sounds like a good kittening counterbalance to having a gate that doesnt upgrade

…exploit trebs?
are you referring to trebbing bay from garr?

Darek.1836:

Trying to think of what ET is thinking
“Oh no, 3 FC are trying to take our unupgraded camp!”
“Oh god no, send 15 people immediately, we can’t lose that! Hurry, pull everyone from EB to protect this camp!”

i quite often feel like i get overreactions when i go solo camps in the bls

Halcyon.7352:

insanemaniac.2456:

google.3709:

Super Riceman.8702:

Bomb kit skill 3
Pistol mainhand skill 3
toolkit skill 3
trait: static discharge

How does static discharge applies Confusion? :|

whole bunch of projectile finishers including surprise shot, but not static discharge itself.

So wait, do the actual static discharge bolts count as a projectile finisher too? Even if so, it’d require someone with an ethereal field.

discharge is not a finisher
surprise shot, rifle 1, pistol 1, 2(?), rifle turret auto, some weird stuff with harpoon gun (meaning like… all of 1 2 3 4 or something)

we no longer have an eth field of our own (U toss but not any more) but if you so much as look at a friendly mesmer you cant help but get a stack of confusion on whatever you shoot at.

boon duration runes

2 water
2 monk
2 major water (or 2 lyssa)

boon duration is what makes hgh op. pistols are great condi weapons. 409 is really synergistic with lots of pots, which you are running.

google.3709:

Super Riceman.8702:

Bomb kit skill 3
Pistol mainhand skill 3
toolkit skill 3
trait: static discharge

How does static discharge applies Confusion? :|

whole bunch of projectile finishers including surprise shot, but not static discharge itself.

Welswift.9813:

I honestly think you are under-estimating ANet’s ability to find OP builds people are using. If the build is not known, noobs report it as a hack. Then, ANet might investigate (not because its a hack but to see whether it is OP), then inform the actual balance people at a board meeting.

When would you like to find out about a really OP build? (We don’t have any right now that are above fair but anyways…) 1) You could either find out a few weeks or even a month before it gets patched, allowing you to join in and really enjoy it or you could 2) Find out about the really awesome build when it gets nerfed in the patch notes.

Your choice, but let the community enjoy it, its really not a secret anyways!

anet doesnt have interdepartmental communication what are you talking about

Bones.5762:

I want an avg size server, that fields around 20-30 organzied on primetime maps (own BL +EB) and maybe the extras anywhere else.

I want to be able to hop over to a different BL to sabotage camps, towers n such when were backs are against the wall and not have to worry about running into groups of 40 running me over with skill lock.

Yes i know SF is higher pop of the 3 servers in t7, but im going to assume thats just night coverage, but in terms of NA prime, im sure its an even good fight, also it’s hard to assess HoD V0.5. Still not sure if they belong in t7 or t8 either since im just recently coming back to gw2 after a couple months off so that could be the reason the match is a blow up.

what you want sounds very much like what t8 is

sf did not belong in t8

TallDan.6350:

I didn’t know that agg were leaving, but then again I often don’t know what day it is

hear hear

resets sneak up on me all the time

pita spoon.5708:

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Lol, was [Agg] leaving known on ET before it happened? Or did they just up and run? I haven’t seen ET post on the matter, so I’m curious. What happened to ‘here to stay’ Aggression, get too boring :P?

who knows.. maybe as stated in a few posts earlier they were going after bay in gom bl and never took it. tried for 3+ hours.. perhaps bandito and kaar made them rage/quit/xfer

think its prolly more systemic than any single instance of being thwarted…

they just couldnt carry

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Wait, Agg abandoned ET? Lol.

of course they did

couldnt carry

Shademehr.1397:

pita spoon.5708:

also, ET, did you do something to make FC mad??

That whole experience was super frustrating. We were the epitome of uncoordination last night, even with 2 Commanders (conjoined twins apparently) on the map. A single tower and a camp preoccupied the majority of everyone’s attention while everything else came crashing down despite like a brazillion calls for help all night long.

I logged before the attack on the Garrison so I never saw that (3 hours of sleep the night prior made me sleepy).

i was pretty flabbergasted at how effectively krakrabbit held your undivided attention the whole night w/ trebs in briar. hate it when the community breaks down like that :/

PetricaKerempuh.7958:

ok, if this is the only problem, dnt do it. let the 1st server stay in tier 1.

atm wvw machups are boring. in tier 1 servers are actually refusing to fight because they are tired to fight the same teams every week. in last tier ppl look at the scores and wonder why even try? i agree with both.

u need to understand that score board and machups are separate in what i suggest. but the better thing is that EACH week there is a chance for any server in a tier to go up or down! this is exciting and gives incentive to give your best to progress. all in all, there will again be tiers since any server will be stuck at one point to progress against better servers unless it makes a bigger effort. but it will be possible and every single week it will be a new fight. even if server goes up one tier and then goes back down, chances to meet same two servers are gonna be much less. relatively all will be at the same tier as they are now, but at the same time will have motivation to actually fight. and every week different servers to fight!

tell me how is this bad?

stop focusing on constantly playing against different servers. you dont want it, whether you realize it or not.

the system does need a revamp. it does not need winner up loser down. it does not need arbitrary and random movement between matches. instead, it needs limits on how far apart servers are from each in the rankings so that when the situation does change in terms of population, its dealt with quickly.

PetricaKerempuh.7958:

Lord Rager.8543:

Ketharius.9018:

No.

Kitten NO..

YES; Kitten YES..

no.

Jikap.6547:

Unfortunately, EU T9 isn’t really a rating blackhole as much as a (lack of) population black hole.

the inbalance is big enough that whoever is green usually still manage to gain points & eventually catch up with a tier 8 server, unlike how NA T8 was/is.

Despite how it looks, it seems to me that the rating is actually accurate.

Part of the problem is indeed what happened to NA T8, that mess have probably put off a lot of EU from transferring to Vabbi/FoW as doing so in large numbers will almost certainly create another black hole in the ratings… and thus no-one transfers for the sake of a healthy ranking system. >_<;

Those of you who are still persevering in Vabbi & FoW, you’ve really earned my respect!.

the system isnt designed to handle gaps larger than about 250.
the difference between arborstone and fow is 400.
its a black hole.
population is definitely another black hole though. im not sure i understand the need to have 2 dedicated servers for each language (for one thing).
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youre right.

pet is way lower priority than arrow cart.
should be 1 tab to get the cart locked in.

why are you even bothering with the player again? arrow carts dont rally.

t9 eu doesnt complain nearly enough.

youre in the same ratings black hole t8 na was in. but nothings been done about it yet.

Dawdler.8521:

RNG is indeed RNG.

That said, sometimes I wonder if the loot table is completely kittened up for certain characters. Take WvW and wooden chest drops. Its supposed to contain rare or higher quality drops right? Wrong. Just a couple of days ago I had not one, but two of them drop in the same camp! Oh joy, precious loot! First chest – a white salvageable hide. Second chest – another white salvageable hide. kitten???

this is completely different from the op’s frustration.

when slapping yaks, supplies are a rare quality drop and will grant a chest.

but we have such spacious border maps

titanlectro.5029:

Ok, lets please put this whole hacker thing to rest.

I’ve been PMing with Cross. (He is a genuinely nice guy who said he would stop posting about this and actually did, others are keeping this alive now.)

He did not see any hacking, but instead some Ranger/Engi high evasion builds from RH, and snow leopard form used by ART. Lets be honest, Snow Leopard form almost feels like hacking, zooming across the map stealthed. It is not unreasonable to mistake it for a hack.

But, there was no hacking and the situation has been cleared up.

snow leopard is so fun rofl

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Whooooa, what happened ET and FC?

*goes back to page 1 to catch up.

get your popcorn.

DevonCarver.5370:

Jacklo.4230:

Please have the foresight NOT to reward for taking supplies from Keep or Tower… just saying

I’ll do no such thing!

i dont think its too much to ask that IF you were to say… grant 10 wxp for grabbing 10 supply… you only grant it when its grabbed from a supply camp. it would greatly encourage noobs to not grab supply from a tower when theres a positive incentive to take from elsewhere.

Darek.1836:

Because no one has said it aloud, the issue people from FC are complaining about is that Agg is paying for the Ferg guild FSU (ironically stands for Fergs Stand United) to move to ET. The FSU guild was formed around the most experienced commanders who use the TS, aka almost every decent or good commander we have is moving to ET. I think we’re going to have maybe 2-3 decent commanders for all times now.

florida state, the guild for fairweathers!

no big loss.

Saruon.4085:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Not cool, Agg. I couldn’t tell if it was one of your guys or simply some people tagging along with your group, but your siege on our Bay definitely had some illegal camera zoom action going on just now.

Handle up on your peeps.

lawl, now we are hackers.

Whats next?

well if youre gonna come out and say it then sure you can be hackers.
i dont see anything in battleaxes post about hacks. “illegal camera zoom action” means “person abusing SAB” not “hacker”.

Caedus.6571:

DeWolfe.2174:

WvW isn’t about killing, it’s about territory. It’s about obtaining, building, and defending territory. If you are going to WvW expressly to kill things, then you might be missing the spirit of WvW. Try sPvP as I think you’ll like it more.

….Oh wait, does thinking about what another may enjoy more make me Carebear too??? Oop’s! ;-) haha

I see you are a proud member of your server’s elite WvW PvD Division.

how the kitten does ppt whoring = pvd?

Animus.6453:

insanemaniac.2456:

score update please? (away for weekend)

Was wondering where you were today. :P

Update as of a few mins ago.

wow. i didnt think anything could be more nailbiting than last weeks 10k spread.

(yeah sorry tell everyone for me please, at parents house for the weekend, be back mon or tues)

they cant confirm anything related to dates because then people will kitten at them for not keeping promises when it comes out a day late.

score update please? (away for weekend)

Ascii.9726:

insanemaniac.2456:

dont ask when
ask if

It was stated by a Dev when they were removed they would be coming back once they’ve been reworked but that was months ago but the WvW head developer back then wasn’t very talkative with the community at all unlike the new one.

my point is that even if he knew when he couldnt tell you.

dont ask when
ask if