Guild Wars 2

Also, preparing the mantra procs the leeching function of Vampirism rune but doesn’t proc power cleanse. Seems inconsistent.

Nonono, I know what’s a more useless weapon combination:

Revenant – any weapon combination.

How do rangers get a 30 second taunt on you? I got taunted for around 30 seconds in a match, the ranger replied saying he uses a 30 second taunt duration trait but I see no such thing.

When I use the Endless Plush Griffon tonic and jump while transformed, the jump animation suddenly ends mid-air and teleports me to the ground.

SkiTz.4590:

nearlight.3064:

SB/LB ranger obviously /endthread

except thats a useless build and your team will have to play 4vs5 because you brought literally the most useless weapon set combination in all of gw2 pvp.

Pretty sure necro scepter/dagger + axe/warhorn is more useless.

They do post sometimes and no they don’t get people to post for them (as far as I’m aware). The thing is that the vast majority of people who moan on the forums aren’t actually that good at the game and would rather moan about things than figure out how to deal with them properly.

rchu.8945:

another awesome nerf Mesmers thread that include “my main or one of the most frequently played class was a Mesmer”. Cut the BS, and just state you are having a hard time on your current main class and want to make it easier to kill Mesmers, no need to try to hide the true intention.

Okay, since you want proof that I actively play mesmer as one of my main classes:

Placed 1st in the most recent Pugquest and played mesmer in every match. Here’s the bracket:
http://battlefy.com/aspectgg/pugquest-10/55a57029c02cbd8c00006c03/stage/55b3dcf53c1e854300a1914d/bracket/

And here’s a screenshot of the final match of the finals that shows me on mesmer:
http://i.imgur.com/O1ljkjZ.jpg

And here’s the earliest video I could find that involves me playing mesmer, upload date was Feb 22nd 2015 (I played mesmer for about half a year before that, but I don’t have any earlier recordings):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7VE3SHuN64

Javi.4359:

“A thief can stealth that much, too!”
That is essentially all your post boils down to. A mesmer is not a thief. A mesmer having /this/ much stealth is much more powerful than a thief having this much stealth.

I don’t really have an opinion on whether or not PU needs to be toned down, but one thing people have to realise is most forms of mesmer stealth are easy to get. Torch 4 and Decoy are instant (or instant enough), compare these to heartseeker through a smoke field. Mass Invis is your SR, but you don’t have to stand in one spot for 5 seconds,

Again I have no opinion in this matter, just food for thought.

tetrodoxin.2134:

Nobody ever took Glamour Mastery? Bru. There are gamemodes outside PvP, and they’re actually more popular. Your suggestion makes sense as in “merging it with the other glamour trait”, but I don’t quite see the reason why that change should happen at all. Nerf all glamours across the game because of portal in PvP mode? Why aren’t you suggesting an increased CD for Portal instead? (Something I’d disagree on, but heh).

I’m confused, you’re ranting at me for a suggestion that you agree with and suggesting something that you disagree with?

And this doesn’t nerf glamours at all. It reverts them back to where they were before with an option to take the reduced recharge with a trait (in a line that is perfectly viable).

Serious Thought.5394:

Why blinding dissapation? It’s just ONE blind. What is everyone’s inherent hate of this trait?

Did I say the blind was bad? I said that the trait shouldn’t blind people if they dodge/evade/invuln it.

So basically, add a permanent version of Lunatic Inquisition.

I can’t decide if I’m sure whether or not I want the only option there is to pick…

Well if they become crittable, HP of those would also have to be doubled to compensate. If HP is doubled, you’d have to allow them to also be affected by conditions so that condi players aren’t screwed over completely.

First of all, mesmer is my second class and I agree that mesmer needed a buff to its survivability. In saying this, mesmer certainly got overbuffed. One large part of the issue is the number of powerful traits they got baseline compared to other classes. The changes I’m suggesting aren’t to destroy mesmers, but bring them a bit more in-line, it would still be more powerful than it was pre-patch with this suggested changes.

Baseline traits that I’m happy with:
Illusionary Persona – Essential trait for any type of mesmer, being able to daze someone or distort with no clones is necessary for survival as well as for some clutch interrupts. Also acts as a damage buff to the F1 and F2 shatters.
Manipulation skill range increased to 1200 – Essential for added mobility and kiting.

These two traits were in my opinion all that needed to be made baseline if you take into account other buffs mesmer got. Traits which shouldn’t have been made baseline:
Glamour mastery – First of all, nobody ever took this (except for jumping puzzles), so why they thought this was essential is beyond me. Portal recharge was good enough pre-patch for every mesmer to be using it in top-level play and give them a significant rotational upper-hand. Reducing the recharge makes this needlessly stronger. Take this trait off baseline and merge 20% reduced recharge onto the trait that makes glamours last longer.
Additional bounce – The main significance of this is added might and vuln from additional bounces of mirror blade and the auto attack of staff and staff clones. Shatter damage is already buffed, having this baseline buffs it even more. Take this trait off baseline and merge it with the staff trait that reduces recharge on staff skills.

Other things that need a look at:
Confounding suggestions – 5s cd, mantra of distraction also has the same cd between uses. This means that players don’t even need to consider the cd as long as they don’t use other dazes before the second mantra cast. This is added to the fact that being able to stun every 5 seconds is kinda ridiculous.
Possible changes – Increase cd to 10s. Get rid of the increased daze and stun duration, the trait is already powerful enough without it.
Blinding dissapation – It should be possible to evade/block/invuln this. It’s just stupid that if you evade a shatter you still get blinded.

Can’t we just have a new amulet? The amulet in its current form is great for evis with int.

Pah, you call that close? This is close:

Timiok.1048:

Belial.9350:

Ele has d/d, d/f, staff that are all viable. Thief has d/p only.

Keep in mind we are talking PvP here. D/D is the only viable loadout in PvP. But yes, on a standpoint talking about the whole game, thief is in a worse place than almost any other class, which disappoints me because I main it.

Just because staff ele isn’t meta doesn’t make it unviable.

Jayg.5043:

I have queued for ranked a few times, yet it says I have 80 ranked games played. Am I missing something?

Maybe you queue in your sleep.

jazzllanna.1278:

Mogar.9216:

The worst thing about ranked is people raging in chat during a match.

This is what scares me from entering it the most. I realize I am not the best pvper, but I do like it and find it fun, but I do not want to be attacked while I am there.

You get attacked no matter how good you are, there’s always players with a distorted view on how things are done (e.g. a lot of them think that suiciding 1v4 to keep a point contested for 10 more seconds is better than regrouping). This is just something you have to deal with in any competitive setting.

Jasher.6580:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

A class that excels in most situations.
Take mesmer for example, it’s strong in everything between 1v1 up to 5v5 and on top of this also has the addition of the portal which is the single strongest skill when it comes to outrotating your opponent. You can see that in EU cups when TCG can win a match vs oRNG despite losing every team fight.

Please explain, how can the team with the Mesmer be good in 1v1 and 5v5 but still lose every team fight?

I didn’t say they lose every team fight. I said that even if the team DOES lose every team fight, they can still win through smart use of their portal.

Why do you want to pull more PvE’ers into PvP?

A class that excels in most situations.
Take mesmer for example, it’s strong in everything between 1v1 up to 5v5 and on top of this also has the addition of the portal which is the single strongest skill when it comes to outrotating your opponent. You can see that in EU cups when TCG can win a match vs oRNG despite losing every team fight.

Nassau.6713:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Nassau.6713:

The mesmer seems to be overpowered, but there is absolutely no way that he can kill a celestial staff elementalist on his own. The elementalist can survive forever and in the end kill the mesmer with burning and all the aoe and might stacking. So, between those two, I would say that the ele is overpowered.

Have you ever played a cele staff ele? You’re not going to kill anything 1v1 in under 2 mins (1v1s above this don’t happen in matches)

Yes, for the past 500 tpvp matches, thank you. You’d be surprised how much I actually kill 1v1 … and 1v2. Especially mesmers.

Noob bashing doesn’t count. I can beat just about everyone in queue 1v1 with a soldier axe/lb warrior and won several 2v1s but that doesn’t mean I’ll kill any decent player who knows what to dodge.

Xstein.2187:

However, if its like a thief who is wearing no armor and he was doing bad, chances are it was more him than not wearing armor.

Yes, being one-shot by a PU mesmer from stealth is clearly a skill issue for the thief and nothing to do with wearing no armor and presumably running zerk over marauder.

@op
How about you 1v1 my gs warrior with a lb ranger? Should be no issue for you since ranged is so OP post patch.

Stochastic.1398

Furthermore it’s substantially easier to dodge melee attacks then ranged given that the animations can be easily seen and the dodge itself creates range.

This makes no sense at all. Most ranged attacks take time to reach you, try dodging arcing arrow in melee range and at 600 range and see which is easier to dodge.

Lukas.7159:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Apolo.5942:

Mightybird.6034:

3rd time this week I run into these shenanigans. Basically a loss when someone on the team isn’t wearing any armor as they are a free kill.

Was never very clear on what is reportable behavior in spvp. I assume it isn’t. So…I guess go afk from now on? Cause this is the last game I participate in where its a pointless exercise in futility.

Eerrr… dont stats depend on the pendant?.

You lose defence if you go into PvP without any armor. Doesn’t matter what type of armor, just need to have armor on.

wrong, you just need shoes, trousers and a chestplate for extra toughness

Not sure why you’re saying I’m wrong – going into PvP without any armor includes going without shoes, trousers and a chestplate.

Apolo.5942:

Mightybird.6034:

3rd time this week I run into these shenanigans. Basically a loss when someone on the team isn’t wearing any armor as they are a free kill.

Was never very clear on what is reportable behavior in spvp. I assume it isn’t. So…I guess go afk from now on? Cause this is the last game I participate in where its a pointless exercise in futility.

Eerrr… dont stats depend on the pendant?.

You lose defence if you go into PvP without any armor. Doesn’t matter what type of armor, just need to have armor on.

Nassau.6713:

The mesmer seems to be overpowered, but there is absolutely no way that he can kill a celestial staff elementalist on his own. The elementalist can survive forever and in the end kill the mesmer with burning and all the aoe and might stacking. So, between those two, I would say that the ele is overpowered.

Have you ever played a cele staff ele? You’re not going to kill anything 1v1 in under 2 mins (1v1s above this don’t happen in matches)

MithranArkanere.8957:

The fact is pretty simple: Can a single character defeat in less than 3 seconds another single character? If the answer is yes, there’s something wrong with that character’s build that is to be fixed.

This is a pointless way to go about – you can make a full offensive d/d signet thief that can kill another zerker in 1 second but can do nothing useful for 30s. This build is by no means ‘broken’ or we’d see it more often.

Mesmer on the other hand has their main burst every 11 seconds and can still be useful in between.

Wvw golem week was buffing something that already existed in that mode. The pvp equivalent would me to make all map functionalities more effective – stillness gives triple pts per cap, ferocity gives +10 per kill, trebuchet and skills hammer strips stab on hit, forest npcs and orb give double pts and attribute bonuses, lord gives 200 points.

Also put it unranked only for sure.

Treb is way overrated among lower tier players, look up in the direction of their treb after you hear the announcement and it’s an easy dodge.

posthumecaver.6473:

We can also say this way, there is no other class in the game other then Mesmer which can instagib another class with 17K HP and medium level of toughness out of stealth.

Until that fixed, I think I will call Mesmer more OP.

Thieves and engis theoretically can, but they’d have to go full yolo specs and bust every cd so that they can’t do anything afterwards – a problem that mesmers don’t have.

In terms of skill vs reward – a new mesmer will beat a new ele because the mesmer will easily land the stun and shatters on the ele. At higher levels of play it’s more even – it’s slightly in favour of the mesmer if the mesmer runs inspiration and slightly in favour of the ele if the mesmer runs PU.

Saiyan.1704:

Nerf burn durations across the board? Not gonna happen m8. Get more syncronized with your team.

How is INCREASING the duration a nerf to duration?
I also main ele, so I’m obviously not moaning about not being able to beat them.

Decrease damage by 25%
Increase duration by 33%.

Overall damage remains the same, but allows more room to react before too much damage is done.

Most warriors I’ve encountered in soloq are no good at all, they just expect rampage to carry them. I haven’t lost to a single gs/ham warrior in 1v1 while running a mirror build and I have less than 200 games on warrior.

Jelzouki.4128:

Sorel.4870:

Jelzouki.4128:

You know there’s a reason why the only team to come close to beating abjured in a long time in the ESL go4 ran 2 mesmers and 2 eles.

To be fair, FG was running a marauder engineer build. Prepatch, that was one of the easiest match-ups for a mesmer. What would have happened to a team with a mesmer against a team with two thieves pre-patch? You get the idea.

Two thieves on any team is bad regardless. You won’t see that in tournaments.

This guy doesn’t seem to think so: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Two-thieves-at-once-death/first#post5289852

LunacyPolish.4602:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Silhouette.5631:

If you have stealth/invuln/stability for your stomp, then you can take down one bad player and then the other.

Name a class that doesn’t have at least one of those.

Name a way to work at least one of those into every build with no opportunity cost.

Not trying to be a smart kitten , just pointing out that just because something is an option for a profession doesn’t mean their access to it is adequate for the purpose.

Well currently every build in the Meta and Great section of metabattle contains a method of safe-stomping except for power necro.

Jelzouki.4128:

You know there’s a reason why the only team to come close to beating abjured in a long time in the ESL go4 ran 2 mesmers and 2 eles.

On the flip side – the team that doesn’t have 2 mesmers and 2 eles is beating the team that does…

Cynz.9437:

Here is the joke: i did ask top mes how to counter them. Answer was: you can’t.

By being a better mesmer obviously.

Silhouette.5631:

If you have stealth/invuln/stability for your stomp, then you can take down one bad player and then the other.

Name a class that doesn’t have at least one of those.

Also, don’t tornados generally suck things in rather than knock them away?

Login.5102:

Grenades are most effective when thrown at your own feet.

Blast-deflecting boots obviously.

Login.5102:

Machines can bleed and get poisoned

With machinery, bleeding means to drain fluid. Vital fluids can therefore be drained to shut the machine down. Poison just means a substance that reduces the effectiveness of something.

Login.5102:

Can steal a lot of Life force from empty crates(could be filled with puppies, no coded corpses though)

Sometimes during the night, I kidnap asura and hide them inside those crates.

Grimreaper.5370:

Would be nice to have a supported 1v1 based match mode. Could grab 15 or 20 people and have 1v1s in a coliseum type setting until there was one victor over all. Only problem would be bunker vs bunker never ending so there would have to be some sort of feature that maybe started to eat a % of peoples hp pools after a time limit passed.

Or an infinite radius skyhammer that becomes more frequent as time progresses until it’s firing once every 2 seconds.

I was once able to stack 11 burns on someone with an earth-water-arc cele d/d build, although it sorta requires you to have everything off cd and your enemy to have no defensive cds:

https://youtu.be/ZOY5yZrJGew

Kinda ridiculous though, burn needs toning down.

1v1 servers might even be better than a matched system since you can actually choose what class/build you go against, instead of constantly been matched against a build that rolls over yours or gets rolled over by yours.

Go to one of the many 1v1 servers like the rest of us do…

Nova Stiker.8396:

Before this meta, it was kinda useful when everyone dealt little damage allowing for safety stomps and rezzes but now you can be spiked down with very little focus during that 3 seconds

When was tornado ever used for safe stomps? You’d just keep knocking it out of range.

Currently d/x eles and any type of mesmer is really strong at all levels of play, rangers are a bit underwhelming at high levels of play, but they’re really easy to pick up and be effective with at lower levels of play (your first couple of months or so).