Guild Wars 2

@OP:

Not sure what you are talking about. I’m seeing pretty much every class. In fact, it is significantly better than the previous meta.

Before all we saw were bunker mesmer and herald. That was boring.

Salamander.2504:

First of all, thanks for the communication! We the playerbase really appreciate it. Now, I have no issue with the removal of this amulet, but I’m a bit confused: does this announcement mean that the removal of the vigilant amulet is a top balance priority?

It means the vigilant amulet is being removed and they are communicating that fact. Don’t read into it more than that.

@OP:

I agree with you for different reasons. Nerf thief.

Why? It is junk tier. I hate when I get a thief on my team. They are the single biggest reason for most losses. If they are nerfed, maybe no one will play the class.

It will be interesting to see how the pro league finals play out tomorrow. Possibly the best two thieves in the game will be there. Will they play thief or will they play a different class?

Valkyriez.6578:

Had 2 instances of AFK players in Season 1 out of 300 matches, is it really that big of an issue that dev time needs to be spent creating a whole system and UI element for it?

Take a look at the season 2 preview. It WILL be a thing now.

Remember: The same group that gave us the new desert bl maps are doing the redesign. What gives you confidence the redesign will improve anything?

Loosmaster.8263:

Elizabeth Reed.9173:

Will gliding be implemented into WvW? I hope.

Gliding is a HoT mastery. So if you don’t have the expansion, you can’t glide. They won’t put it in.

Not necessarily. It could be a mastery.

Yes.

Season 1: The carry bunker mesmer
Season 2: The AFK losing team.

I agree with the OP but for different reasons. 1 hour is ridiculous. It should be much longer.

Trevor Boyer.6524:

To the OP, here is why elite specs are in the wrong direction. The problem began with the 6/23/2015 patch, right before HoT release so pay attention:

• Pre 6/23/2015, GW2 had finally reached an acceptable level of balance in player vs. player. People enjoyed the “feel” of conquest during the era of the cele/rifle engi, dd cele ele and all other viable builds in play.

No they didn’t. People complained just as much about balance then as they do now. dd cele ele was OP

*Feb 23rd you mean

So, whatever happened with this?

Frank.3791:

Saiyan.1704:

Frank.3791:

Saiyan.1704:

Aaand you can always play Unranked PvP and not worry about the purpose of this thread

U mean wait in queue for like 5 min for it to tell me that the queue was cancelled?

Queue times has literally been Seconds on the minute for most people :O

just got in one……my other teammates 3 thieves……

Baby steps. ANET hasn’t yet figured out how to balance classes on each side if it is a pug vs pug match. They will get there.

Because when I’m in the middle of a match, I don’t want a teammate who is AFK changing their build. 2 minutes before the match is plenty of time if you want to change your build.

Yeah, communications were quite poor. It’s almost as if they’ve already given up on the whole pro league concept and are just following through on some commitments at this point.

The biggest difference is that a lot of us remember when there used to be a lot more players. ANET has made bad decision after bad decision when it comes to WvW and what is left is only a fraction of what it used to be.

Palindron.1964:

We all know the Mesmer is really useless in PVP since a long time.

lol. Maybe you missed the whole season 1.

1. Remove all the PvE crap from WvW that was recently added
2. Bring back the alpine borderland map
3. Add new masteries like auto loot
4. Buff stability
5. Remember that players go to wvw to fight other players in large scale fights. It is not about PvE. Hopefully ANET gets a clue about what is causing their player numbers to drop.

If the redesign doesn’t remove all the newly added PvE crap to the game mode, I’m not interested.

@OP:

Which builds do you consider meta? There haven’t been any pro league games yet so I’m not sure anyone really knows the meta builds. Even metabattle has nothing listed as meta for the exact same reasons.

After hitting frac 100, I have no desire to ever do a high level fractal again. There is a core reason for it…. HIGH LEVEL FRACTALS TAKE TOO LONG TO COMPLETE.

I think ANET really needs to rethink how they go about doing fractals. Right now, as fractals increase in number, the difficulty is increased a bit, and the mobs/boss take longer to kill. That needs to be changed.

Key Principles should be:
1. A high level fractal should never take more than 2x the amount of time of a low level fractal. Ideally even 1.5×.
2. High level difficulty shouldn’t be focused around more HP/toughness for mobs/bosses.
3. High level difficulty also shouldn’t just be making enemies deal greater damage.
4. Difficulty should be instead added by: faster mobs, faster attacks, less places to hide from cannons/lasers/etc, more reflect type skills, new skills, etc.

For example, let’s take uncategorized and how it could be set up.
Low levels: same as today where harpies attack but that’s all (hp/toughness likely increased to normalize across all levels)
Low- Mid levels: add the knockbacks
Mid levels: faster, more frequent knockback attacks + hit with conditions
Mid high level: all of mid but faster + harpies have a reflect skill every xx number of seconds
High level: all mid-high but faster + periodic retal + immob/chill conditions.

Just an example to illustrate the point.

They are off working on the next expansion. As that comes closer to my predicted launch date of fall of 2017, they will come back to the forums. In the meantime, enjoy talking amongst yourselves for the next year.

morrolan.9608:

Daniel Handler.4816:

From talks with friends, matches, etc. This season is probably going to be tempest, druid, herald, scrapper, reaper.

All other classes should hope for the best when it comes to innovative team comps. But beyond that start considering a class to play for the upcoming league.

There can only be five.

Tempest over thief? WTF!

There is a really strong sustain ele build that does good damage. You will be surprised if you haven’t seen it yet.

Not really accurate. Add in druids and rev as well.

In pug matches you can also add in a ton of really low quality thieves.

rchu.8945:

Xynful.8140:

I honestly don’t get how the balance changes work. They change this OP thing then make another thing OP or not touch what’s already OP before. What.

Can’t they get testers that actually play the game? Maybe ESL players or them MLG pros to test the changes before releasing them publicly. If people think it could give the “pros” advantages for future engagements then just stream the testing gameplay on twitch or something so everyone knows what’s up and also give their own opinions. I mean, I would happily do it for free. FREE ANET, FREE. This way actual players get to really contribute instead of moaning day and night here.

Well?

ESL pros dont test balance, in fact they dictate and heavily influence on balance patches. ANet cater to those people mostly, you lucky if you play one of the classes that are loved by those pros (thief/engi), and sucks if your classes are not those (Mesmer).

Your post makes zero sense. There are only a few people who mained engi before the latest patch and literally no one ran thief.

EVERYONE wanted to see bunker mesmer nerfed, except for the few bads who were carried by it.

Zintrothen.1056:

People really think thieves aren’t going to be meta?

It will completely depend on the rules. If they force 5 unique classes, maybe you’ll see thieves. If the rules are 4 unique classes, then most likely top teams will run:

Rev, Reaper, Scrapper, and Druid. The final spot will then be a rev or a druid depending on the team.

Don’t get me wrong. You’ll still see some of the other classes, but they won’t be as prevalent.

Yeah, because the ANET balance team sits around thinking “we want to make warriors bad”. It makes me laugh when people create posts like yours.

Much more likely is that ANET has no clue how to balance it.

Yeah, 2 of 5 is really dumb. It should be 3 of 5 if they want a place in the tournament. Fix it ANET.

The best way to solve the issue is that if a guild split and one side has 2 players and one side has 3 players, the 3 should get the spot.

Silverkey.2078:

A few comments:

• at pro level, DH is not played anymore, because it is bad
• DH medi-trapper is a noob-stomping build.

This being said

• DH virtues are not instant (while guardians are). That is why many people complained in the forum and they buffed them to make up for it. In my opinion, DH virtues should be stronger but without ally effect, so trading ally support for stronger personal defense/offense. F1 does that already. F2 still heals allies, which I think should be removed, but a higher self-heal + mobility is fine. F3 for guardian is underwhelming, it is better for DH. But here, I think buff the guardian one (1 aegis on more than 40s CD?)
• traps are not that well-designed. They are too strong for noobs who don’t dodge them, too weak for non-noobs who dodge them. The DH sacrifices meditations (meaning healing and defensive utilities) for them. The trap trait is annoying, just spamming daze, but does not really add flavor.

So yes, this needs to be improved.

How do you know that they will not be played at the pro level? There haven’t been any pro matches since the balance patch.

WuGzaGenius.5684:

the only “meta” condi build right now is necro, im not sure if stupid or what.

No need to insult yourself. Just reread the OP message. What you say is true about condi (from what we’ve seen so far). CC and passives are a big problem though.

Arcaedus.7290:

On the downside, I’m finding myself having to kite the living shroudnuggets out of reapers. You really can’t manhandle them like you can some classes.

Yeah, but you can’t really compare it to reapers. Reaper is possibly the strongest class right now in PvP.

Hunter.4783:

So let’s see:

Raids: sabetha dps meters put the rev 5th peaking at 19k dps. Just for reference hammer guard is 24k or so.
Basically the raid gains dps by swapping revs with guards and having chronos use concentration sigil and Chronomancers rune.
ps war takes care of 25 might stacks.
Fury is the most common buff in the game
Guardians also provide quickness further diminishing the strength of feet of nature.
Eles and thieves are both 25k+

Spvp : necros everywhere, condi spam. Revs are now a joke

WvW : no one plays this. Thanks to the lamers qQing hammer is now useless.

Let’s recap:
5th highest dps.
Mediocre suoport.
No decent range weapon
Sub optimal condi build (obal rated it at 15k dps, theoritical, and non comprtituve)
Only 1 optimal weapon
Half the legends and utilities, as well as 2 trait lines are worthless
Only 2 working underwater legends

…,
Bravo Anet, Bravo

You are so wrong. Watch PvP. I’ll bet pretty much every top team has at least 1 rev and maybe 2 depending on their players.

Rev is still top 3.

I think it is funny that people actually think thief is OP in some way. Speaking from a PvP standpoint, I wish there was an option so that I’d never get a thief on my pug team. Let people who think thief is OP have them on their team.

WvW definitely needs a stability buff. It is currently not fun to be part of a group fight.

Unfortunately, ANET doesn’t get that people actually want to fight in WvW. They think everyone comes to fight tower lords.

The sad truth is that ANET isn’t going to listen to anyone here. They made a horrible new map and know it, but can’t just switch it off.

The only thing they can do is continue with the WvW redesign without player involvement. Once they mess that up, no one will be talking about the bad map anymore.

briggah.7910:

hunterAS.5107:

You should focus on Mag instead of whining.. the only reason you won that matchup is because FA and TC tanked it.

that was a pretty bad job at tanking. t2 had the closest scores out of every tier last week.

Meaning TC and FA didn’t really play much last week compared to a normal week.

Depends on the map as well. I refuse to play skyhammer and spirit watch.

twojackson.5607:

style.6173:

@OP:

It is not ruined. There are just a lot of people who used to rely on bunker mesmers and AFK on point eles to win. Those don’t work anymore and that is a really good thing.

The issue is that there are currently only 4 viable classes in PvP. Anything else is suboptimal. So, play reaper, rev, druid or scrapper if you want to do well.

LOL. you completely ignored thief, which got the biggest buff on the most recent patch. Every class can be op except for warr and mesmer. Mesmer deserves it’s current state, it never required much skill and thus attracted the wanna be’s who pretend to be skilled. I hate every mesmer and I laugh when I see them because they deserve their current state.

Except thief isn’t very good in anything OTHER than a highly coordinated team.

Anyway, we’ll find out soon enough what is meta. Mark my words, the 4 classes I mentioned are the top.

@OP:

It is not ruined. There are just a lot of people who used to rely on bunker mesmers and AFK on point eles to win. Those don’t work anymore and that is a really good thing.

The issue is that there are currently only 4 viable classes in PvP. Anything else is suboptimal. So, play reaper, rev, druid or scrapper if you want to do well.

twojackson.5607:

Valkyriez.6578:

1 thread complaining about it. I’ve never seen it mentioned anywhere else, but I’m glad you made a second thread about a skill that judge begs the Druid to be cleaved.

Or, just kill the Druid first and it’s a nonissue.

Lol kill the druid and replace it with what? We all paid 50 for specializations. Warrs were always bad so don’t complain please, Anet gave you what you all deserved: nothing useful. I love how you suggest to remove druid, lets find out your class and I’ll go in your post history to see when and where you complained about it when it was in meta. I don’t expect to find anything because people only complain when they get rekt. Good players, regardless of class, don’t get rekt.

I don’t think you read his post carefully enough.

ANET is clueless when it comes to balance.

That said, expect to see a few small adjustments over the next couple of weeks.

A lot of you are complaining about eles and that makes sense. Keep in mind that unless you are a rev, reaper, druid, or scrapper, all of the other classes are useless as well.

Watch:
1-2 druids
1-2 rev
1 reaper
1 scrapper

Double up on either druid or rev and win.

the other classes aren’t very good right now.

The new BL maps are horrible. It’s ok to admit that. Last reset in T2, we had a 50+ queue in EB and no queues on any BL maps. Why? The new maps are not fun. They are not targeted for fights.

Look at your own analytics and tell me if you see anywhere near the numbers in a BL map as you do in EB. In fact, I bet all 3 BL maps combined might have less playtime than EB.

Bring back the old BL maps. Once you implement this new redesign of WvW, then revisit the decision. For now though, remove the new BL maps.

Cecilia.5179:

Fuzzion.2504:

NA T1 servers are alive and growing. If you want fun and action come on down!

That 90 man ebg queue while outmanned on every bl was kind of sad though.

This^^ T1 isn’t in great shape. People play EB and try to avoid the BL maps

You guys are just getting trolled. The OP is just trying to make a point that scrapper is strong. Anyone who plays the game knows reaper > scrapper. It’s a hard counter.

Just pray that someone at ANET gets a clue and hires someone who knows how to implement matchmaking. It is embarassing at this point.

I don’t mind the burst. The only thing really broken is that DH traps shouldn’t AFK kill another squishy. At least make the DH have to fight a little bit.

This has nothing to do with ranked vs unranked. Ranked only worked in seasons due to the ladder.

The current unranked matchmaking is basically ANET giving up. They admit that they have no clue how to handle matchmaking.

ANET, please hire someone to handle matchmaking. It is horrible.

This is a good idea and should be implemented.

It is sad how pretty much every decision ANET made for the HoT WvW release was wrong. The current WvW team is really poor. I’m scared about how they are trying to mess up WvW even more with the overhaul.