Guild Wars 2

Zero Requiem.5908:

yanniell.1236:

Everyone is the “mighty” skilled superior server, until they don’t have superior numbers anymore. Funny how skills seems to disappear when the numbers does.

and yet BLACKGATE was only 10K ppt behind yesterday before most of the server became too exhausted to play DESPITE being OUTNUMBERED by 2 to 1

BG is player for player the BEST NA SERVER, hands down

If that was true they’d be able to win even numbers fights. Unfortunately, they can’t so they aren’t.

woot more #bgtears

Lydell.8713:

Onmosis.7056:

Lydell.8713:

Onmosis.7056:

Yeah we’re getting 2 v 1ed right now, and that kinda sucks… Our morale got lower than before… :l

Are you still on the server that the sig on your previous messages states you were on, or did you move to the server that shalt not be named, hoping to be on the winning side?

Still on the same server… I’m not planning on leaving… I’m not really whining, I just want to get this off of my chest… :PP

Good, cause the server that shalt not be named has enough whiners already. Just wanted to be sure that people realize that you’re not on it.

cause whining about whiners makes u cool? double negative??

ballymun.3986:

Simple facts of the matter, it’s match fixing and match manipulation, to the detriment of another whole server of players and apart from all of that, it’s tantamount to nothing short of intentional griefing of another whole server’s community.
Most of it also based purely out of childish hatred, lies and constant abusive trolling by the servers that have been participating in the the match fixing/manipulation.

I honestly feel sorry for a lot of the better half of the community on those 2 servers involved in the match fixing/manipulation as they have seen their community destroyed and tainted badly by the exploitative manipulation of matches, again, based on childish hatred.
Not even based on the ability of one server to win over another, it’s purely based on trying to demoralise another servers’ militia community and that has been made clear many times publicly by many of the guilds and community leadership from the two servers involved in the match fixing/manipulation.

The choice that Anet has taken to totally ignore the matter goes some way to explaining why no gamer of any worth will take their attempts at professional esports seriously, ever. Never mind the mess of grouping 6 servers in a Swiss style tournament, 3 of them utterly out of their depth and nothing, absolutely nothing put in place to deter or hinder the ability to manipulate and fix matches.

tldr – QQ!!!

lemora.1304:

And there you have it Anet. JQ and TC outright admitting to match manipulation in your failure of a tournament. Are you still going to sit here and pretend that this is “really cool gameplay” then lock the threads again?

mass buying of guilds via blackouts onto a full server wouldn’t count?

DivineBeing.2086:

BG and SoR.

SoR’s forum warriors were so bad most players just stopped reading the forums. I think that is where most of BG’s bad propaganda originated.

but it all evened out cause u guys were so bad in game.

Zaoda.1653:

No matter what borderlands I go to, it seems it’s as dry as a desert. What happened? Did some guilds transfer or something?

It can’t be the living story because let’s be honest, the loot is kinda lame and half the time things are bugged. Certainly not as good as the previous living story’s loot.

So where the heck is everyone?

they seem to think that tanking before seasons will git them more guilds and the underdog status for season 2. it’s actually kinda pathetic.
a bunch of ppl fell for it when they pulled it before season 1. doubtful anyone will this try. unless they r massively stupid. which prolly means a lot will lol

Reverence.6915:

jojojoon.8607:

I agree with you, and that’s basically what everyone is saying at this point. BG knows that they have the best coverage out of all NA servers. But by playing dead right now and claiming to be “outnumbered in every time zone by every server” on the forum like in Season 1, it is just to get other servers to “think” that they’re not the favorites to win. That is why you have non-BG saying BG are the underdogs and that is why guilds transferred there for the start of season (e.g. ZD leader said the reason they transferred there was because they saw BG get farmed on a daily basis when they were scouting the server a couple of weeks prior to the start of season). He was in a rude awakening when the he found out later that BG actually had the best EU coverage on NA servers when BG players started to play normally again, and ZDs ended up pvding the entire season.

The #Believegate2014 trick worked in Season 1 but it’s going to be hard to get the same trick to work for Season 2 since other servers probably won’t be fooled again.

Thanks for confirming what everyone has been saying on this thread and letting us know that this strategy is called #Believegate2014.

ZDs started PVDooring because IRON avoided ZDs like the plague. ZDs came over to fight IRON and IRON didn’t show up. When we fought JQ, JQ’s 24/7 queues magically disappeared. In other words, we can say the same for you, except we actually come out to fight when it matters, unlike some other servers.

SoR had the strongest EU coverage by FAR before Season 1 started, and that is undisputed fact.

ZDs pvdoored because that’s what they were paid to do.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Is everyone’s server so empty that they can just willy nilly go to WvW for these things?

It would take me 2+ hours to get to WvW to craft or use a laurel vendor…

that’s what you get for playing on a stacked server.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Ross Biddle.2367:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Bacardi Babe.4391:

One good thing about EOTM, you get to meet/play other players/guilds from other servers. That being said, SOR is not a server I would transfer to.

I have to agree….Not to be rude, but any server that tanks WvW to the extent they are then absolutely zergs down pugs (we keep seeing these zergball SoR guilds) in EoTM is not a “server that looks for fights”….Nor is it one I would ever want to be on.

That’s funny considering I’m SoR and have been fighting in EOTM, and the “getting zerged down” goes both ways on the map. The fights are constant, they’re fast, they’re furious, and all sides end up running back licking their wounds.

SoR is also just one server in the colllective of server in the EOTM. One or more of it’s guilds might go to the map, but if tagged up (and even if we don’t), the “pugs” of other servers rally along, and a lot of the time become the bags being farmed by our enemies.

Get over yourselves, seriously.

I am sorry your server is full of zergers that can’t hang with PPTgate and Jadescorey??? But the fact still remains SoR is putting blobs in EoTM to avoid putting the same blobs in their T1 zergfest matchup.

Its fine if your zergballs want “EZMODE”, but don’t act like they aren’t doing it kid.

I am sorry you are getting farmed. Take it like a man son.

Aaron.4807:

dwahvel.7356:

So every server not in t1 are pugs? lol
I can’t wait to fight t2/t3 guilds. Most of them don’t run with 20-40 pugs on them and they are willing to gvg/fight outside keeps/towers. Like a breath of fresh air. Couldn’t be any more healthy for us.

Do you really think EotM is filled with organized people. Do you seriously think that the lower tiers have anything CLOSE to the coordination that SoR has?

We have all been in EotM by now, we ALL know what it is. And to SoR it is just as much pveing as what you described, might as well go back to WoW.

more cry please. kthx

ykyk.2740:

Sanduskel.1850:

Substance E.4852:

Sanduskel.1850:

Qaelyn.7612:

The “sour grapes” responses from some of the SoR people are predictable, yet still disappointing. I remember fighting against you guys when the league was on, and you had better coverage than we did at TC and usually came out ahead of us, but we still tried every time. I remember one week we got second place and everyone was happy about that.

Now suddenly it’s “we can’t win so we are running off to EotM”. I mean, it’s a game, do what makes you happy, but it still comes across as quitting. And it’s really not what I expected.

Ever since I started GW2 I’ve felt that the constant transferring around of people and guilds made WvW into something of a joke, and this is all part of it. I chose TC when I joined knowing that it wasn’t the most populous server, and that we’d lose a lot of matches. It’s possible that once SoR is finished shamefully throwing their matches so they can “on purpose” go to T2 that TC will end up in T1. And win or lose I will do what I can to fight the good fight, without making excuses or trying to find someone willing to give me gold to abandon my friends.

If you guys end up in T2, I’ll be rooting for our current nemeses, SoS and FA. At least they make an effort most of the time.

We don’t like pv door and luring bg from their keeps. What’s wrong with preferring EotM? honestly, we don’t really care what you or others think about our server, lol.

Sorry playing tactically and against comparable opponents was “too hard” and “not fun” for you guys. Have fun beating up zerker pve pugs.

call it whatever you want. if you want to come “pwn” us with your mad skillz you know where to find us. i haven’t seen any bg guilds in eotm. wonder why?

Just an outsider looking in, but I’m going to guess it’s because their server hasn’t given up and retreated to pugland.

alas but no, it just means that they know they can’t “win” wo buying guilds for coverage.

:(

before eotm, even with their pop advantage they were nothing but free bags anyways so whastever/ lol

Seigfried.5938:

thaooo.5320:

juicifruitz.6251:

Chris.3290:

(yeah I know, I was done here). While I usually disprove of “not playing to win” I would humbly suggest that any server that ends up in the T1 #3 hotseat considers going full EotM in protest until JQ and BG destack.
There is no point in building a “warchest” and trying to compete with their walls of text of QQ’ing, sandbagging, and birddogging.
I think the majority of TC and SoS want no part of their crap, and it appears that SoR is no longer in the hunt to stay there. So why play into it?

Tell me something Chris,

Where were you in saying this sort of thing, when SOS was the top dog and other servers were calling for SOS to de-stack????

Oh that’s right you didn’t say a thing about it

Because T1 in those days were nothing like T1 BG/JQ now. You didn’t know that?

BG and JQ (of current) have 20x the amount of players SOS (and JQ) did in our brief few weeks at #1. Ps no one called for a de-stack (because it was never anywhere near as bad as you buyers are), and also, free transfers.

Now you know the reality.

SoS and JQ had very similar numbers to what BG and now JQ have. In fact, I would have to say JQ in those days had more numbers than what BG/JQ currently have. I played on SoS in those days, so yes, I know what I am talking about. Do you currently play in kitten know the size of our wvw population currently?

we need moar of your PPTears pls

Peetee.9406:

Reslinal.2359:

Hobbitz.5831:

morrolan.9608:

dwahvel.7356:

Reslinal.2359:

If SoR is just doing this to get out of T1 faster, all power to you since the low morale caused by staying in T1 is really not healthy for your server anymore. However I would suggest you guys shed a bit more guilds (especially your OCX/SEA guilds), otherwise you would be back in T1 in no time….

SoR still has ocx guilds? Oh wait thats right we don’t have any left.

Hire, GC

Most of HIRE has merged into GC and most of GC is leaving for ESO.

Ah, so they will be back in GW2 in no time then, given horrible ESO seems to be:)

Shrug.

It’s better than this.

dude! now’s theres eOTM to enojoy in case teso turns to kitten, at least until wildstaR.

Buffy.9246:

Mr Ko Killer.7206:

DivineBeing.2086:

Wow, you completely fail to pick up on sarcasm huh? That was my point. Your point was we were ticking at 600 during oceanic a day after EoTM was released. Do you see the connection yet? JQ obviously was not WvWing that day.

You don’t have a point, your QQing about a server that has more coverage than you during your timezone and accusing JQ being overstacked completely because you lost one week and we’re ticking unbelievable numbers during a timezone like it doesn’t happen to anyone else.. (wow…that’s NEVER happened before in T1…)
I don’t know if your new, or just can’t get around the fact that every server has a bad timezone for coverage.

DivineBeing.2086:

EU timezone? Oh nooo, BG is ticking 5 ppt higher than you during EU prime (as of the tkme of this post)

Omg 5 ppt higher because due to an entire server doing EotM only. It totally has nothing to do with the fact that now an entire server’s worth of keeps towers and camps are just there for the taking. Not at all, nope.

Please name me one EU guild JQ has that fields the same as HB? I’m waiting…

DivineBeing.2086:

that totally compares to us ticking 150 while JQ ticks 400+ during oceanic and sea.[/

Anyone who has ever watched millennium during SEA hours knows for a fact BG runs a massive map hopping blob that goes after one or two BLs at a time. If you’re so bent over backwards about it, tell Tarkus to split his zerg up, but that will never happen, because BG only map blobs. Here’s a better idea, don’t take numbers out of EB and pour them into the BLs leaving EB open for the taking.

JQ exploited the fact that that’s how Tarkus leads, that’s why JQ was able to steamroll EB and take some objectives on the BLs the same time BG would steamroll a single BL.

Splitting up zergs to take multiple objectives at once > map hop blob

It’s like you’ve never played in T1 before, as much as BG wants it, there’s no such thing as 24/7 coverages. Every server will have a weak point, your like a spoiled child that’s not happy with what he’s got and wants to point it out in every other forum thread. T2 servers don’t have any coverage that comes close to matching BG’s or JQ’s, if anyone deserves the coverage, it’s them.

We’ll said!
Bg and jq don’t make T1 fun at all it seems…idk why they wanna be so stacked

awwwww the PPTears are sooooooo tasty. lol

DivineBeing.2086:

morrolan.9608:

DivineBeing.2086:

Did you even check gw2score to check the math? This week and last week, mosts points gained by JQ 0:00 to 5:59, otherwise known as Oceanic. Checking further will show that before your recruits it was relatively balanced oceanic, both of us ticking between 225 and 250. Now? JQ ticking primarily above 275. And you were able to push to kitten , waypointing 2x keeps and SMC.

Like I said last week the excuses were that BG was pre-occupied with the wurm event. This week the scores, yes on that site, show that BG has been ticking higher than JQ most oceanic evenings, BGs hourly average during the timezone is greater.

This week? You mean when BG is trying and JQ isn’t trying at all? And when they did try they ticked at kitten ppt waypointing 2x keeps and SMC? That’s not alarming to you? And BG BARELY ticking above JQ the other days? We both know we can’t look at Tuesday and forward due to EoTM.

The match was balanced, now JQ will literally cruise through matches with no competition. Why? BG only wishes we could tick at kitten in ANY timezone if we pushed hard.

Ah more tears about BG’s supposed underdog status. Good stuff. Cause y’know how everyone believed it last time you tried it. lol

JQ seems to be closing the gap population wise and now we can see how well you can manage in a fair fight. Looks like trouble. Better get out there and earn some gold.

jojojoon.8607:

oxo.7869:

nirvana.8245:

BG has the most EU coverage. They have several guilds that raid during this timezone.

That is just simply not true.
BG has two EU guilds, RK which is very small and only seem to run a couple hours every so often and HB, who are a pretty great guild but small-ish in numbers and extending themselves into NA TZ a lot (correct me if I’m wrong Smokee). There’s also an old small guild called BAM with a few EU members.

JQ on the other hand actually have numerous EU based guilds (and continually recruiting/buying more from EU servers, why I don’t know) along with their SEA groups running late into early EU and their NA running early into late EU – which more or less gives them complete dominance a lot of the time in EU TZ and they blob around a lot during EU.

SoR is a dead server, a lot of their guilds have left for other lower tiers NA, moved back to EU or joined JQ. What’s left on SoR still blobs in EU, mostly ball up and wait for fights where they vastly outnumber opponents – if they’re equally matched or they don’t vastly outnumber, they way point out and float to another BL or go stomp all over the few pugs running in EB.

So there is actually no real EU coverage on NA servers any more, other than like I said above, that’s about it. Anyone tells you different, they’re lying.

Oh and soon as any EU guild does decide to transfer to BG to help them out trying to deal with massive PVD blobs from JQ and SoR, what usually happens is that JQ and SoR will stop fighting and just take a break during EU TZ then complain a lot on forums about BG being stacked.
Even though as I’ve said, there is barely even a slight EU presence on BG any more and BG are always up against massive blobs from JQ mostly during EU TZ.

The only way to sort this out is if numerous decent WvW EU guilds transfer to multiple NA servers, so everyone has decent competition from actual EU based guilds on a regular basis.
I’d suggest BG, TC and SoS rather than Sor and JQ, SoR is dead and JQ have more than enough EU coverage with all their pve’ers karma training all the time.

The other alternative, is what you don’t want anyway, and that is to move back to EU but outside of EU prime, every single EU server is dead in WvW, apart from some French Canadians playing on the French servers and going around PVD’ing the whole night + a handful of night cappers on a few other EU servers.

Merge them as one tbh, don’t see why not. Would at least spice things up a little and the lag is a non issue, sure our EU match-up this week (Gunnars/Jade Sea/Deso) is hosted on Yak’s Bend, an NA server.

More propaganda… Let’s break down the obvious propaganda in this post..

1) JQ outnumbers BG during EU time because JQ has numerous wvw dedicated EU guilds and BG has only 3 wvw EU guilds (HB, RK, BAM). If this is true, can anyone name 1 JQ wvw dedicated EU guild that raids on a daily basis with more than 30+ players? Heck, even the size of HB which is around 20-25+ players. Don’t try too hard because this is a trick question. You can’t name one. The claim that JQ outnumbers BG during EU time because JQ has numerous wvw dedicated EU guilds is simply not true.

2) JQ outnumbers BG because players are putting in overtime and playing past their normal time zone windows. Should we believe that JQ is the only server with players playing out of their time zones and BG has 0 players doing this? It appears that this method has been used multiple times by BG to inflate the numbers of other servers. If we go by what BG says, you would think that other servers never sleep. BG has said previously that JQ outnumbers BG during OCX because JQ SEA logs in early and JQ NA stays up in late. And now, BG claims JQ outnumbers BG during EU because JQ SEA stays late and JQ NA logs in early. Are JQ players robots because according to BG, they practically play GW2 the entire day.

3) SOR is a dead server with guilds leaving left and right, including guilds in EU time zone moving back to EU, and yet they outblob and outnumber BG in EU time? Does that actually make sense? A dead server outnumbering the only server in NA with full status?

more bg lies, yawn. no one believes yer crap why bother? they’re the last server that needs help rofl. but if u wanna be kittenbags transfer there

zhonnika.1784:

“There are massive, and I mean massive map blobs from JQ rolling in EU TZ on nearly every BL and in EB, every single day including weekends.”

Season 2 must be coming soon, as BG is in full MUST RECRUIT RUSSIA mode again. Oh my word. Wiping way tears from laughing.

dude! enough of your nonsense! didn’t u hear? some bg fanboi said they’re outnumbered! it must be true

Peetee.9406:

Burl.9567:

Kincaidia.3192:

……I WAS on SoR…..

Sure you were…

BG is so worried about their standing in the world, they have their pugs making up posts.

Fort Aspenwood during league. Transferred to SoR the final week of leagues when it looked like SoR would drop to green T2. Moved to BG last week, also mains a thief .

Typical BG player/mindset.

maybe they need more trash bandwagoners? more bags for us! woot

morrolan.9608:

DivineBeing.2086:

T1 is even more of a worse spot now that JQ accept guild transfers. They could have gone the BG route and turned away the transfer requests to servers that need them. I cannot tell you how many guilds we have had to turn away since leagues ended.

Our main competitor accepting more guild transfers is a definite way to start an arms race instead of balancing populations.

<looks at current score> hoho thats a good one.

Also especially considering that it is well known that BG are still looking for moar guilds.

that’s because they are tremendously outnumbered!
giggles
well outclassed anyways.

Seigfried.5938:

Tibstrike.2974:

Seigfried.5938:

Tibstrike.2974:

Seigfried.5938:

Lol Chris, you start bashing BG again and then call us drunk. I’m just waiting for Eotm to put all you guys in the ground. Think T1 is all about zerging? From what i have seen, some of the best roamers are from skilled groups like TW which also fight on a large scale. And then there are small dedicated roaming groups like oPP and RIOT. Eotm will put your skill play =/= t1 theory to the test.

You guys are gonna have fun facing some of the roamers in the lower tiers. When all there is to do is roaming, then you tend to get very good at it. Best 5-man group I’ve seen is still from NSP (or was).

I used to be in tier 4 and then transferred up, so I know what type of roamers are there across the tiers. There isn’t any difference. The only 1 server in in the last season that had good roamers from t2-3 were from maguuma.

See, here I say that while Mag has an abundance of roamers, I wouldn’t peg them as any better than the rest. The thing about roamers is that the best ones rarely get props, unless the players who lost to them are willing to admit how badly they were beaten.

Until I see a 5v5 tourney where they lose, SPCA and friends are still the best 5-man team. BS probably had the best individual roamers which translated to a nasty GvG team.

I meant on average, the skill level of maguuma is much higher than other servers in t2-3. This is the impression I got fighting them during the league, Much could have changed since then, though.

And question to the OP, balance is not going to do any good for the fights. at the moment, SoS pvdoors during oceanic and other servers pvdoor during SEA and Eu. PPT is indeed balanced, but fights are not. So ask yourself what is more important, PPT or fights?

On average the skill level of Blackgate is much lower then the other servers in t1.

DivineBeing.2086:

Peetee.9406:

LetoII.3782:

Let’s just congradulate BG on their hard-fought come-from-behind miracle win in season 2 in hopes they’ll stop beating straw men in every thread on every forum.

Cmon man, you’re giving them too little credit.

They had to overcome that massive overstacking by JQ. Those 20 SoX and 15 XPK guys that transferred over are like 300x the size of BG’s oceanic force. You need 5 100-man russian guilds to combat those numbers, but BG only recruited 3!

Mind citing those guilds we “recently recruited?” Or are you taking Smokees troll posts on the gw2wvw forums seriously? Because if you are I am afraid to tell you that his other post about ZDs transferring back to BG isn’t legit either.

You can’t afford to rent them for the duration of the season again?

DivineBeing.2086:

Reverence.6915:

Chris.3290:

I have no idea how SoR compares to T2 (how is their non-NA prime?) but they can probably still beat TC and SoS; even if it would probably be close.

BG’s EU would completely demolish any T2 (ticking over +500 at times) and both JQ and BG outnumber any T2 NA. Add in a crushing advantage in SEA….nah, it would be a bad joke.

There’s no population advantage during NA between T1 and T2 right now. Was a bit different back in leagues, but it is really really different now. Especially with a focus on smaller groups from both JQ and BG so instead of seeing 70-80 man blobs, you’d see 2-3x 20-30 man groups on different parts of the map, most of whom are looking for fights. Also, we can’t queue all 4 maps during NA prime anymore, so there’s that… we usually just have 20-30 people on each map now with a 30~ish group floating. At least BG does.

SoR could beat T2 servers, but it would be pretty close I think. They no longer have any EU and their Oceanic is pretty small now since most of them moved to JQ.

BG’s EU is 50 people max on TS. I’m not quite sure how that will “demolish” any T2 server. Sure, if we face 2 T2 servers, we’ll probably tick 400~, but it certainly won’t be “demolishment”. Same with JQ. During Oceanic, T2 servers would outnumber BG’s Oceanic believe it or not, but that’s only in a 3-5 hour period. Throw another T1 server into the mix and BG would be ticking what we normally tick during Oceanic these days – 150~200.

You would be correct in that any T1 SEA population would destroy T2 servers at the moment though. Outside of T1, perhaps only Darkhaven could put up some fight. Maybe. From my experience, on a good day, we can queue 3 maps and have a 20-30 man team on the 4th map (usually EBG cause kitten EBG) during early SEA, and have an 80 man float team during late SEA and into early EU. The only server that can compare with that is JQ.

BG and JQ during early SEA is like South Koreans vs Taiwanese/Chinese haha

Anyway, tl;dr, several time zones between T1 and T2 would be fairly even with a slight advantage to T1. Only during SEA would see T1 come out on a huge lead. If T2/3 servers can get some decent SEA coverage, we could have 6~8 servers that are fairly balanced. GET RECRUITING!

Very true.

It is amazing how people who have never faced BG or been on it have such exaggerated expectations.

If we were to give you just ONE guild from, say, our SEA coverage that would literally take HALF of our SEA coverage away lol. It is not like we have 10 guilds in each time zone….

nobody believes you.

:(

rofl

please log in and supply us with easy bags.

Jaxs.5830:

Peetee.9406:

Hey now! Share the love!

At some point I’d like to face a server not running 60+ man blobs on every map.

There is nothing about SoR that makes them any different other than they are not currently on top of the three way stack fest that is T1.

except for refusing to buy guilds. which is the diametric opposite of jq and bg.

style.6173:

Burl.9567:

You don’t want any of BGs NA guilds. They are bag donations.

People say that about every server and then just say the other server is winning because of coverage differences.

he is correct sir. bg is trash. wo a map blob they r bags

DivineBeing.2086:

LetoII.3782:

Typhus.3502:

Fiiiights. PPT is about the objectives, and honestly half the fights we get are at objectives. We regularly port back to defend towers and keeps (guaranteed fights) , because it beats running around till you happen to find something, so in that sense we do our part for the ppt. With that said though, the score hasn’t mattered to me for weeks, all I look for in WvW these days are good fights with my guild. Let me emphasize the fights part, bags and rewards are irrelevant.

But with so many congregated on a single server that care about ppt, maybe there might be a lack of people to play against?
Maybe there should be a tier 0 where folks can just pick a door to stand over for the week and get awarded a finisher to stomp mobs with?

Lol, the hate is strong in this one.

Can anyone guess why RET ran away from tier 1? Lets just say I cannot remember a time that RET wiped a guild….

Carry on though.

has baggate ever managed to win an open field fight where they didn’t outnumber the opposition by two or three times their number? ever? that’s y u stacked up so hardcore lol

DivineBeing.2086:

PPT.

From what I have seen is a server only starts to play “for fights only” when they are so badly beaten they don’t even want to try.

I think every server has commanders that have that for fights mentality. I miss the days when you were considered a bad commander for heading to the opposite side of the map to follow orange swords when you don’t even own the keep on your side of the map. Or when you see both server fighting in one corner of the map but not capitalize on it by capping stuff on the other side of the map.

You know, forcing the home bl server to fight 2v1.

However, you get a bunch of whiney servers getting beat so bad they start “playing for fights only” and scurtinize those who don’t (even though they are playing the game as intended). Thus promotes this “too cool for PPT” group because there will always be more losing servers than winning.

silly baggate, buy more scrub guilds pls we need more crap green loot.

wvw’s fun. if there was a way to lessen to impact of bg buying kitten guilds left right and center and stacking like cowardly girly kittenes maybe the fights in t1 wouldn’t be so blobby,

lol

Reverence.6915:

I stopped reading after “mercenary guild purchasing”

Lol

oh oh! yer point about buying guilds seems to have annoyed someone from buygate. isn’t that the fourth sign of the apocalypse?

Smokee.1754:

This thread is so full of dumb people from all 3 servers posting dumb kitten, that I wouldnt even know where to start if I were to point out who dumb they are.

Anyway, BG is winning because ours is bigger than yours. Dont like it? To bad, you are going to be hammered by it untill you man up and do something about it.

/eod

talk crap when u can manage to win an open field fight. lol baggate ftw

Slayer Lord.5023:

Especially since JQ relies on tactics more then pure zerg.

since when?

Rhizo.5089:

Any guild other than Shadow Gypsies on JQ. They are always ruining the server.

We refer to them as free bags.

Talmor.9048:

I remember, it was chaotic but ultimately fun!

yes, soo much more fun then then now.

globe.7238:

Reverence.6915:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Duke,

From what I know from my friends in your server, BG is still recruiting and has had several small guilds transfer over for WvW in the last 7 days. BG has the widest and deepest coverage now vs JQ and the PPT scores show.

I am not complimenting nor condemning BG, just making known some facts.

Also, besides ZDs in league, BG has outsmarted JQ and SOR by recruiting dozens of small PVX guilds (vs big WvW ones favored by other servers) to ensure a >80% chance of winning in league and after season. Those guilds are still in BG.

Chocpudding has done a tremendous job in the recruitment drive. Kudos.

FW

BG isn’t doing any guild recruiting at the moment. We sure as hell aren’t paying for anyone’s transfer costs either.

Stockpiling that warchest to buy all of vizunah for season 2 huh?

why buy when you can just rent them for the season?

u really wanna join the bandwagon? as if tier 1 isn’t a big enough joke as is. rofl

Reverence.6915:

Keiel.7489:

Reverence.6915:

Roe.3679:

Maybe those servers travel in huge groups to respond to BG’s groups.

80 man zerg respond to 30 of us? Sure.

I haven’t seen a group larger than 50 people in 1 zerg on BG for a very, very long time, unless it’s on EBG (which I rarely visit). We prefer splitting up into multiple groups tyvm.

Unless I’m tired and I’m reading you wrong and you meant responding to 2-3 of our groups on one map.

I haven’t seen it, so it doesn’t happen. I’ve seen one of it, it happens all the time.

You can’t deny your reputation as the server with the map blob though. Every server that’s faced you has come off saying the same thing.

Funny, the exact same can be said about Bandwagongate.

Jeknar.6184:

Avatar of Belle.9623:

Please let ET have higher tier servers to fight. I do not want GoM, DR or KN. I prefer NSP & FC.

Yeah, I want somenthing Huge, like HoD or IoJ.

Or just kick the bucket and bring kittening Bullygate.

u spelt it wrong. it’s buygate. kthxbye

Serkz.3140:

OP I hear you. BG is actually the least “blobby” in tier 1.

lie / cry more please.

SonofNoob.3102:

Hikisaku.8276:

SoR is so good guys, they beat our 60-man blob with 15 people look!

They aren’t known as the blobbiest server ever for no good reason!

that from bg? lolz git good son

Chris.3290:

Not since RQ visited JQ for the first time has Tier 1 has collectively lost their stool like they still are over the ZDs thing. It’s been a month and a half, find something new to talk about.

many of us still find it amusing that bg rented a guild

Latinkuro.9420:

Dash.7108:

Can there ever be a civilized thread about Blackgate… Congrats Blackgate, congrats FA, and congrats Henge of Denravi.

haters gonna hate,
everyone hates on BG but none have been able to beat it, so far.

It’s not BG’s fault you do not have the coverage to keep the good fights going long enough to overcome us.

Congratulations to all Blackgatians
you prepared for it, you fought for it, you managed your coverage to defend it all, you fought your opposition to the last man standing, you never ran from a fight.

You earned your win, let’s enjoy it.

well you earned the gold that paid for it anyways, close enuff

grats to buygate!

DivineBeing.2086:

Distaste.4801:

SFShinigami.2015:

JQ did not buy MERC… some gold was given to help get them over.

We did not buy 3 EU guilds…we helped anyone who didn’t have enough.

Prior to the run up to the season JQ was the weakest of the three servers. We had nothing between PST->OCX, had at best equal footing during SEA, maybe a little more if we were lucky that day, nothing between SEA->an hour or two into NA which is a VERY large time period. Our NA could queue 1-2 maps + EB with stragglers on the 3rd and we almost blew a huge lead in a match against TC because we had nobody during weekdays. Following the period we finally gained some new guilds, we had the most even matchup this game has seen and it was glorious. Everyone had equal fights and the winner was more or less chosen by who played map politics better and for once, not who had the best coverage. If you cannot see why the transfering of each one of these guilds was a good thing for JQ and T1 then perhaps you need some new glasses.

Before IRON left, JQ could squeek through EU because SoR/BG kept each other busy. Now the only sizable force during EU is BG. BG also still has the largest during pre-OCX/OCX and temporarily the Russian time zone. No matter what you think you know, JQ does not have the same coverage of BG. Our SEA guys were staying up extremely late and our NA guys were getting on early to try and cover the ~7 hours between normal SEA and when our NA gets on and we did not queue maps at all during the week when people have jobs and lives. We managed to hold garrison the entire BG matchup but that was about it. I played a couple times during that time zone and there was a huge BG blob on each map and no 3rd force to help distract it.

JQs transfer guilds from the time SF and SBI friends + PRX joined the server until our first guild showed up in August, a period of about 8 months were ZERO. Omen came and left, some EMP left, Zombieland joined us and then disbanded, Agg visited briefly, we lost WARD/Aco, the SBI friends guilds all merged more or less into SF. That adds up to a net loss in terms of player numbers while the other two servers continued to grow. Sure JQ was larger at the begining, but the other two passed us eventually.

So please, go ahead and rant about how JQ “bought” guilds. All that means is that you are saying you want to be able to PvDoor all day and do not want fair competition and fun fights because thats what JQ “buying” guilds has given this T1 matchup, or at least relatively close to it, with the unfortunate troubles SoR is dealing with. Having lived through similar circumstances, I do not wish that on anybody.

Perhaps you didn’t get a copy of the JQ/SOR memo that was sent to BG. If you help a guild transferring to your server with transfer costs, be it 1g or 10000g, you are “buying” them. So even though JQ helped more guilds with transfer costs, BG is known for “buying” the win since they helped 1 guild with some costs. JQ/SoR are equally as guilty when it comes to “buying” guilds, it’s convenient that people forgot the weeks leading up to season 1. I don’t blame the servers as that’s what needed to be done to compete and go for the win. The people I have issue with are the ones on those servers crying foul even though their server is guilty of doing the same.

This. We seriously need to keep bumping this until it gets threw the thick and stubborn skulls of a lot of PvFers on here.

What you described JQ did, is EXACTLY what happened to BG. I know, because I paid a huge sum to help get THE REST OF MERC’s members to transfer over. (emphasize on the THE REST OF, meaning AFTER they started transferring).

There was ZERO bribes or incentives.

except for the huge sum you paid out. ROFL. kitten ?

i’d vote BG. what they would have never won on their own they flat out dominated via their buying and renting of guilds. well played.

Keiel.7489:

Asudementio.8526:

Tarkus.4109:

morrolan.9608:

DKNS.2135:

Bro, try to understand. They had training week going on last week. This week they are in a beta. Next week, they have IRL responsibilities unlike us non-lifers who play GW2 24hours a day.

Why are you trolling a thread for a match you;re not involved in? BG have come out with excuses when they’ve lost you know.

Because most of BG is bored atm, also doing a PvF GvG with mag roamers is enough to do your head in. Meh, SoR is going through a rough patch that I hope that improves after leagues as some guilds are restructuring and rebuilding, while some will be coming back to the game in the coming months (i.e. TSYM). SoR isn’t as dead as people like to make out, its just that in its current stage it appears most of thier core is playing ESO. Thanks to the guys who come out every night regardless of score.

Weekend for eso ended midnight eastern time today so they should be back, but i’m sure we’ll here another excuse.

What’s going to be BG’s excuse once league ends and ZD leaves you as they have suggested? too much bandwagoners filling up your que and your WvW players can’t get in? In your match up with JQ lat week basically the same thing happened when you were vs SoR W2. We took the weekends and once people are back to work/school you take it back on the weekdays whe ncoverage becomes weak. Congratulations to ZD on the win.

ZD was only rented to PVD for season 1 and is leaving after it. that’s what has been said previously.

SFShinigami.2015:

Hexin.5603:

This match up shows me just how massively big jq/bg are in comparison … SoR is big too, but JQ is like never ending … every corner you go there is a team, and what massive battles.

Gather ‘round children and I’ll tell you a story, of a time when SoR BG and JQ were almost exactly even in coverage! There were fights any day any time as far as the eye could see!

then there was much buying/renting of guilds followed by nonsensical bandwagoning. Then everyone laughed at the offending server as they claimed to be kitten.

Reverence.6915:

Sreoom.3690:

LOL Troll Post.

BG whined about the season match up claiming JQ was the winner…props to the tactic, SoR bought into your mantra and willingly became your kittenes to double team up on us.

Hope y’all enjoy the view at the top…cheap seats as they may be.

Totally. We are the WvW overlords. Bow down to our superior whining tactics. We did not outplay you on the field at all.

/sarcasm

outplay? no. outspend. yes.

Sam Gem.1246:

SoR, you be the judge. Are you going to side with BG again during week 7 like you did during week 1 in light of all this? Or are you going to do the honourable thing by siding with JQ to crush BG and demoralize them?

Week 1 red = dead afaik.

Week 7 will be a different matter afaik.

;)

Latinkuro.9420:

Elektrolysis.1569:

The points system in WvW seriously needs overhauling. I find it ludicrous that the victor is usually determined by how much coverage a server has during off-peak hours (aka nightcapping). It’s pretty demoralizing when your server is on top during peak hours and holding several T3 keeps only to get home from work the next day to find that all the progress the server made was lost overnight or during working hours simply because they had more players online during that coverage gap. No wonder people play dead, because quite honestly, their contributions mean next to nothing unless they’re willing to play overtime. Basically, which ever server has more Oceanic players will normally win since WvW is won during off-peak hours.

Example: JQ had a lead of up to 4-5k over the weekend and quickly lost that lead once the weekend was over simply because BG had more players to fill in coverage gaps than JQ did.

so basically what you’re saying is that the war effort needs to stop because you need to go to bed, ridiculous even in real wars when the day shift soldiers need to sleep the night time soldiers guard their backs so the enemy doesn’t kill them in their sleep or wipe them out in a surprise attack during the night.

the same principle applies to WvW seeing that it is a 24/7 permanent war going on.
simply conquering territory is not enough ! conquered territory needs to be defended, to defend said territory you need coverage, peak and off peak.

This crying about losing a T3 tower or keep during off peak hours screams of poor coverage, it is not the other server’s fault you are ill prepared and do not have the coverage to defend your conquered territory.

war is not just about killing, it is about supply lines, comm lines aka TS, and back end things that need to be taken care of even before you start killing the enemy like logistics aka coverage

Real war has a lot in common with WvW.
- there are no rules in war.
- the better equipped and better prepared will prevail.
- no mercy for your enemy.
- the enemy of my enemy might be my friend, at least temporarily while our common interests are aligned.

every server knew WAR aka season 1 was coming
How each server used the time before season 1 to prepare and plan their war effort is very important.

some wars are won even before the 1st shot was ever fired
what is happening now is a reflection of the preparation plans of each individual server before the season started.

tldr version : yada yada yada we r bandwagongate come out and entertain us bc we r entitled!

Retsuko.2035:

Even if BG doesn’t admit it, ZD is pvd’ing right now because they get weekly pay for each week they are on BG. Is this a bad thing? Not at all. It’s everyone’s choice to do what they want in this game.

renting guilds? weaksauce. lol